Beans, Bullets, and Bhagavad-gitas
Chapter Three: Texts 16-19
Please read texts 16-9 of chapter three along with the purport, and then read the following commentary. Afterwards, each participant should offer a thought or comment on this passage. As you do so, please consider this study question:
What is the difference between the way a material condition person acts and the way a Krsna Conscious person acts?
evam pravartitam cakram
mogham partha sa jivati
yas tv atma-ratir eva syad
atma-trptas ca manavah
atmany eva ca santustas
tasya karyam na vidyate
naiva tasya krtenartho
na casya sarva-bhutesu
tasmad asaktah satatam
karyam karma samacara
asakto hy acaran karma
param apnoti purusah
In these verses the Supreme Lord speaks to Arjuna saying that a person who lives their life only for sense gratification lives of life of sin, and that is a wasted life. Our purpose in this world is not to attain sense gratification, since any such endeavour is doomed to failure due to the temporary nature of the material world. Our purpose is to discover the True Self and return to Godhead.
The Vedas explain how one should live one’s life, and Krsna Consciousness makes the goal a reality. When a person becomes fully Krsna Conscious, that person no longer has a need to follow the Vedas. The Vedas are instructions for the materially conditioned soul to attain liberation, but the fully Krsna Conscious person has already attained the Absolute Truth and recognizes the eternal nature of the True Self, and so is no longer materially conditioned. A self-realized person does not need to fulfill duties nor neglect duties. Through the numerous acts of yajna the self-realized person has transcended beyond the need for these material regulations. As long as the person acts in Krsna Consciousness, the person does enough.
Individuals sometimes get confused when the Bhagavad-Gita speaks of having no attachment to person, place, thing, or concept. One should see no distinction between friend and foe, war and peace, life and death, etc. The reason is that these dualities belong to the material world, and a person who is fully Krsna Conscious no longer belongs to the material world, and so he is not affected by these dualities. When we become caught up in the dualities, which will lead to stress and anxiety, then we worry about the fruits of our actions.
We act for a material purpose. One washes dishes to have clean dishes to eat off of. One works at a job to earn money to buy things. We would not wash the dishes if there were no pay-off, the same is true of the job. The materially conditioned soul is concerned with reaping the rewards of his actions. However, this attachment keeps a person bound to this material world.
When a person becomes fully Krsna Conscious, one does not consider the fruits of action. One simply acts, without thought of anything in this world. When one simply acts in a state of Krsna Consciousness, from a position of the Absolute, one cannot but act correctly. Of course, most of us are quite far from this position and so it is a continual struggle, but as long as we continue to practice Bhakti-yoga, we move ever closer.
You have given a perfect definition of Sat-sanga. Thank you.
Applying knowledge in our lives which we gain through Sat-sanga is wisdom.
But everyone takes a different message home according to their gunas even though they maybe in the same Sat-sanga.
According to the Vaiṣṇava regulative principles, one must be initiated as a brāhmaṇa. The Hari-bhakti-vilāsa (2.6) quotes the following injunction from the Viṣṇu-yāmala:
adīkṣitasya vāmorukṛtaṁ sarvaṁ nirarthakam
paśu-yonim avāpnotidīkṣā-virahito janaḥ
“‘Unless one is initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, all his devotional activities are useless. A person who is not properly initiated can descend again into the animal species.’”
Hari-bhakti-vilāsa (2.10) further quotes:
ato guruṁ praṇamyaivaṁsarva-svaṁ vinivedya ca
gṛhṇīyād vaiṣṇavaṁ mantraṁdīkṣā-pūrvaṁ vidhānataḥ
“‘It is the duty of every human being to surrender to a bona fide spiritual master. Giving him everything — body, mind and intelligence — one must take Vaiṣṇava initiation from him.’”
"One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books... One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system."
(Cc. Antya-lila 7.53, purp.) — AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Basically, these verses are saying a materially oriented person does things to get things. whereas a spiritually oriented person does things for God. Inlike your dish picture, as even THAT is spiritual if we think of Krishna as we do so
Love means no selfish motivation.
One may think, I will enjoy. Devotee thinks, at least let me share, or better, let me treat Krsna as at least equal to me. Very advanced "i know no one but Krsna as my Lord, and He shall remain so even if he treats me roughly in His embrace, or makes me broken hearted by not appearing.." Siksastaka of Mahaprabhu , is of the highest possible order, attained by few.
We can boast of that first degree, that is devotee. Krsna as equal is solidly engaged pure devotee.