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Chapter Three: Texts 16-19

Please read texts 16-9 of chapter three along with the purport, and then read the following commentary.  Afterwards, each participant should offer a thought or comment on this passage. As you do so, please consider this study question:

 

What is the difference between the way a material condition person acts and the way a Krsna Conscious person acts?

evam pravartitam cakram
nanuvartayatiha yah
aghayur indriyaramo
mogham partha sa jivati

yas tv atma-ratir eva syad
atma-trptas ca manavah
atmany eva ca santustas
tasya karyam na vidyate

naiva tasya krtenartho
nakrteneha kascana
na casya sarva-bhutesu
kascid artha-vyapasrayah

tasmad asaktah satatam
karyam karma samacara
asakto hy acaran karma
param apnoti purusah

In these verses the Supreme Lord speaks to Arjuna saying that a person who lives their life only for sense gratification lives of life of sin, and that is a wasted life. Our purpose in this world is not to attain sense gratification, since any such endeavour is doomed to failure due to the temporary nature of the material world. Our purpose is to discover the True Self and return to Godhead.

          The Vedas explain how one should live one’s life, and Krsna Consciousness makes the goal a reality. When a person becomes fully Krsna Conscious, that person no longer has a need to follow the Vedas. The Vedas are instructions for the materially conditioned soul to attain liberation, but the fully Krsna Conscious person has already attained the Absolute Truth and recognizes the eternal nature of the True Self, and so is no longer materially conditioned. A self-realized person does not need to fulfill duties nor neglect duties. Through the numerous acts of yajna the self-realized person has transcended beyond the need for these material regulations. As long as the person acts in Krsna Consciousness, the person does enough.

          Individuals sometimes get confused when the Bhagavad-Gita speaks of having no attachment to person, place, thing, or concept. One should see no distinction between friend and foe, war and peace, life and death, etc. The reason is that these dualities belong to the material world, and a person who is fully Krsna Conscious no longer belongs to the material world, and so he is not affected by these dualities. When we become caught up in the dualities, which will lead to stress and anxiety, then we worry about the fruits of our actions.

          We act for a material purpose. One washes dishes to have clean dishes to eat off of. One works at a job to earn money to buy things. We would not wash the dishes if there were no pay-off, the same is true of the job. The materially conditioned soul is concerned with reaping the rewards of his actions. However, this attachment keeps a person bound to this material world.

          When a person becomes fully Krsna Conscious, one does not consider the fruits of action. One simply acts, without thought of anything in this world. When one simply acts in a state of Krsna Consciousness, from a position of the Absolute, one cannot but act correctly. Of course, most of us are quite far from this position and so it is a continual struggle, but as long as we continue to practice Bhakti-yoga, we move ever closer.

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          We act for a material purpose. One washes dishes to have clean dishes to eat off of. One works at a job to earn money to buy things. We would not wash the dishes if there were no pay-off, the same is true of the job. The materially conditioned soul is concerned with reaping the rewards of his actions. However, this attachment keeps a person bound to this material world.

          When a person becomes fully Krsna Conscious, one does not consider the fruits of action. One simply acts, without thought of anything in this world. When one simply acts in a state of Krsna Consciousness, from a position of the Absolute, one cannot but act correctly. Of course, most of us are quite far from this position and so it is a continual struggle, but as long as we continue to practice Bhakti-yoga, we move ever closer.

Sometimes one must be like Parsifal, crusading "against an evil deed, a Hero Be, indeed !" -Srila Bhaktivinoda T., sometimes alone, sometimes in a dark forest, or confronted by hardships. Yet still, the advanced transcendentalist is of good mind due to his bhakti sadhana practices and internal wisdom gaioned thereby. We are not all up to that par and not always, in which case, one should take shleter in the asociation of the devotees, and even that is not possible, holy Names are with us and will respond.

BY HIS DIVINE GRACE A. C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA;

My advice to you under the circumstances is that at least for one hour you must all go to have sankirtana outside on the streets or in the park. That is your life and soul, first business. The next business is completing the chanting of 16 rounds every day. The next business is your editing. And if you find extra time then you can attend the temple ceremonies. Otherwise you can stop these activities. But outdoor kirtana, your editing work, and chanting of 16 rounds must be done. Outdoor kirtana must be done, even at the cost of suspending all editorial work. That is your first and foremost business. Temple worship is not so important. If need be, the whole temple can be locked. But the outdoor kirtana cannot be stopped. (Letter to Rayarama, 17 May 1969)

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Hare Krishna!

 

The above verses 16 - 19 are self-explanatory.

 

The materially conditioned soul works from the premise of 'I', 'Me' and 'Mine'. Hence he is always hankering for material things for his pleasure and for close circle of his family and friends. He cannot see outside of his circle, society, religion, state and country (as long as he gets things for himself, then to hell with the rest of the world). He does not understand the concept of ‘Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam’ - this world is but one big family.

 

Hence the concept of what you give to others you actually give to yourself, does not register in the mind of materially conditioned. He want to enjoy, control and possess and try to show himself superior than others.

 

But, one who realizes that we are all one is content within. He does not aspire more than what comes to him by divine arrangement. He neither hankers nor laments for things of the world because he knows everything is transient and nothing lasts.

 

Such a soul has realized his true identity and connection with his Creator. His life is now centred on Lord Krishna. He does not need to perform any obligatory duty, but he continues to work in devotional service as an offering to Krishna to set an example for others who look for a role model to follow in their footsteps.

 

Thus a Krishna Conscious soul looks for opportunity to serve others as he sees Krishna seated in the hearts of all beings and he knows that by serving others he is serving Krishna. He is beyond labeling others by their color, religion, caste or creed. He sees everyone in Krishna and Krishna in everyone (BG 6.30)

 

Hare Krishna!

 

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Lovely reply, Mahesh prabhu. One thing, a madhyama adhikari has to differentiate bewteen evil, innocent, and good persons, whereas an utthama adhikari may be beyond these things. By jumping to utthama artificially, the sankirtana movement ceases. Utthama adhikari may simply sit, seeing no need for preaching.

Hare Krishna!

You are absolutely right that uthama adhikari sees no reason to preach but He sees no reason not to preach.

Though he sees Krishna everywhere, he continues to glorify Krishna to whosoever is willing to hear.

Even Krishna says at the end of Gita that this supreme and confidential know should not be given to those who are not austere and those who are not His devotees.

Hare Krishna!

Madhyama-adhikārī stage means that one knows what is Kṛṣṇa, īśvara, one knows who is Kṛṣṇa's devotee. Īśvare tad-adhīneṣu. And one knows who is innocent, neither devotee nor nondevotee, and he knows who is nondevotee. This is preaching.
The Nectar of Devotion -- Vrndavana, November 4, 1972:

Prākṛta means on the material platform. Such devotee can fall down at any moment, because he's on the prākṛta stage. And prākṛta means this guṇamayī, prakṛti. It is very strong. So any devotee can fall down if he remains prākṛta-bhakta. So he has to raise himself above this in the madhyama-adhikāra.
Lecture on SB 1.2.33 -- Vrndavana, November 12, 1972

Generally people are very interested in inquiring about mundane subject matters, but when one has lost such interest and is simply interested in transcendental subject matters, he is quite fit for being initiated. When one is actually initiated by the bona fide spiritual master and when he seriously engages in the service of the Lord, he should be accepted as a madhyama-adhikārī.
Nectar of Instruction 5,

There are three classes of devotees, namely the prākṛta, madhyama, and mahā-bhāgavata. The prākṛta, or third-class devotees, are temple worshipers without specific knowledge of the Lord and the Lord's devotees. The madhyama, or the second-class devotee, knows well the Lord, the Lord's devotees, the neophytes, and the nondevotees also. But the mahā-bhāgavata, or the first-class devotee, sees everything in relation with the Lord and the Lord present in everyone's relation.
SB 1.18.16,

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"But, one who realizes that we are all one is content within. He does not aspire more than what comes to him by divine arrangement. He neither hankers nor laments for things of the world because he knows everything is transient and nothing lasts."

Yes, the devotee sees the external world for what it is, and is centred within in self identit, perhaps even in active pure devotional services within the spiritual heart. Some persons emphasize the renunciation aspect, and it is too often the case that this sort of thinking leads to laziness. That is alright, it is intelligent lazy, but we preachers of Iskcon are more the unintellgent active sorts, therefore vey dangerous to maya. ~(>,' ) 

Mahesh JC said; Thus a Krishna Conscious soul looks for opportunity to serve others as he sees Krishna seated in the hearts of all beings and he knows that by serving others he is serving Krishna. He is beyond labeling others by their color, religion, caste or creed. He sees everyone in Krishna and Krishna in everyone. (BG 6.30)

T dasa said; And here is pure devotional service; no question of simply sitting. One is inactive materially, one does nothing for the material false ego gratification beyond bodily necessities and niceties. But takes prasadam and one is fully active, for Krsna's services and those directed by His pure devotees, and in this way, there is no karmic reaction and the senses are fully engaged. The Self is satisfied by such engagements, as is natural. There is consideration of the deliverance and well-berng of others, patience and determination and enthusiasm for more love and realizations, on and on.

Thus a Krishna Conscious soul looks for opportunity to serve others as he sees Krishna seated in the hearts of all beings and he knows that by serving others he is serving Krishna. He is beyond labeling others by their color, religion, caste or creed. He sees everyone in Krishna and Krishna in everyone (BG 6.30)

Jaya Mahesh Prabhu, Jaya Ananta Ji !

Śrīla Prabhupāda Says -

"The God says that "Here is injustice, so you should fight." God says that. God never says that "I am God, Kṛṣṇa. I am your friend. You sit down idly and I shall do everything." He never said that. He said that "You must fight." That is our duty, not that God has given us hands and legs and you sit down idly and let God do it. This is not devotion."

[SB: Lecture 1.2.6 - Mauritius 5 Oct 1975]

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Hare Krishna!

You are absolutely right.

We have to understand that there are many paths to Krishna and no one path is superior or inferior to another.

Krishna is speaking the Bhagavad Gita to a Prince, a warrior (a Kshatriya by his guna and karma) who wants to give up his Svadharma and wants to go against his nature of a kshatriya. Krishna teaches his devotees according to their intellectual capacity to grasp and which will not go against their nature and understanding.

While Bhagavatam was spoken to king Parikshit who is destined to die in 7 days and he knows it. He is told by Sukadeva Goswami to just sit and listen about Krishna and His Creation and pastimes, for the time is too short

for any other path.

Even the Puranas which are 18 in number, the six Puranas are for those who are in Tamoguna, six are for those who are in Rajoguna and last six are for those in Satvaguna. Each of these Puranas takes one to a higher level of realization till one reaches to Satvaguna. Only then one can aspire to transcend the gunas altogether and be situated in Brahmn (spiritual platform). Then one can attain Para Bhakti - pure love of Krishna.

In the Bible, Jesus tells His disciples, "What I do, you do not realize now but you will understand hereafter."  which means that there is much I have to tell you, but you cannot understand it now.

There are more things in heaven and earthHoratio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet 

So, no path is lower or higher than the other. A Kshatriya's duty is to fight and protect, a brahmana will use his intellect for higher understanding of the divine and share it with others, a vaishya's svadharma is to create weath for economic growth and a sudra will work under someone to complete the 4 varnashrama or the body of God. Brahmana is the Lord's head, Kshatriya are His arms, Vaishya is His Torso and Sudra are His legs.

Every one of the part is as important as the other. And we should all be true to our gunas and act according to what quality is predominant within us and should not think that ours is the only way. Ours is just another way of self-actualization and realizing the Supreme.

There are so many silent devotees who are are doing their svadharma silently without discriminating with anyone. The sun shine equally on urine, dung and rainwater. It purifies all. So does the earth that never criticize or complain when it is stripped of all its nutrients and dug deeper and deeper for water, oil and minerals. It understands the every thing is done through the will of Krishna and human are helplessly doing Krishna's will to teach her quality of patience and tolerance. 

So we must do our Svadharma while seeing everything is happening as per Krishna's will without criticizing other beings for following the path according to their Svadharma.

Hare Krishna!

George Pye quotes; Prabhupāda: "Well, saṅga means execution. When you associate with medical association or sharebrokers’ association, simply go there and sit down is not your business. You have to do something. You have to do something. Sat-saṅga means that. Tad-yoṣanāt aśu apavarga-vartmani. Sat-saṅga means you have to take the knowledge and use it for practical purpose. That is sat-saṅga. So our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to give the sat-saṅga, opening centers all over the world."

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