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Subject: Unauthorized Gurus have no potency – it will not be effective

Do not claim to be Kripa Siddhas but be Sadhana Siddhas

 

Unauthorized Gurus have no potency – it will not be effective

 

Nitya Siddha, Kripa Siddha, Sadhana Siddha

 

http://www.prabhupadavani.org/main/Bhagavatam/601.html

 

So we should not try to imitate Prahlada Maharaja. That is not good. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah. I have already explained yesterday. Prahlada Maharaja is one of the mahajanas, authorized persons, authorized devotee. We should try to follow him. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah.

 

So if you want to approach the same level like Prahlada Maharaja, we should not immediately imitate him. We must follow the sadhana-bhakti, sadhana-bhakti, for general, and krpa-siddha, that is special. That is incalculable.

 

For us to bring that full attention may take hundreds and thousands of years, full attention. But Prahlada Maharaja, immediately. Immediately. Five-years-old boy. Because he is nitya-siddha. Always we should remember that we cannot imitate. "Now, Prahlada Maharaja has immediately ekagra-manasa, and I shall become also." No. That is not possible. May be possible, but that is not the way.

Just like in our country, perhaps you know, there was a poet, Rabindranath Tagore. He got many distinction from the Oxford University. He got... He never went to school but he got the title "doctor," "Doctor Rabindranath Tagore." And if you think that "I shall also get doctorate without going to school," that is foolishness. That is special. Similarly, don't try to imitate. Follow the general course,

 

Unauthorized Gurus have no potency – it will not be effective

 

And... Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Guru cannot be self-made. No. There is no such single instance throughout the whole Vedic literature. And nowadays, so many rascals, they are becoming guru without any authority. That is not guru. You must be authorized. Evam parampara-praptam imam ra... [Bg. 4.2]. As soon as the parampara is lost, sa kalena yoga nasto parantapa, immediately finished. The spiritual potency finished. You can dress like a guru, you can talk big, big words, but it will never be effective.

 

Offenses

 

We should not Arcye visnu sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnava-jati-buddhih. The vaisnava-jati-buddhih is also another offense, great offense. Similarly, to think of guru as ordinary human being, that is also offense. To think of Deity as made of metal, stone, that is These are offenses. Sa naraki. So we should be very careful about the regulative principles and follow the footprints of Vaisnava. Mahajano yena sa gatah. Don't think that Prahlada Maharaja is ordinary boy. We should learn from Prahlada Maharaja how to advance in devotional service.

 

 

Rocana Das’s Article on same subject -

http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-13/editorials10395.htm

 

 

In this lecture, Srila Prabhupada also makes it clear that there are three ways to reach siddha, and the third way is krpa-siddha. He warns us at least five times in this lecture, do not imitate the nitya-siddhas, and do not try to think that you're krpa-siddha. In other words, the only way to reach siddha is to become a sadhana-bhakta, under the guidance of a nitya-siddha. That's how sadhana-bhaktas come to the stage of siddha, at that point they become nitya-siddha.

 

We have to keep in mind that one year from this very time, the Zonal Acaryas presented a theory that they had become krpa-siddhas, and that we all had to accept that. In other words, they said they had reached nitya-siddha status through krpa, in the same way that Jagai and Madai were benedicted.

The Zonal Acaryas were claiming to be krpa-siddhas, and all the other people in the room -- in fact everyone in the movement -- had to accept them as krpa-siddha. If you didn't, then you'd end up like the person who was chanting for Srila Prabhupada in this very lecture - Pradyumna prabhu, who was callously thrown out of the movement.

Srila Prabhupada also stresses the point that you have to accept a guru, and that even Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Sri Krsna and all the nitya-siddhas showed by example, just as Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati did. But he also clarifies that the guru must be authorized, the guru cannot be self-made. He says there's not a single incidence throughout the whole Vedic literature:

"And nowadays, so many rascals, they are becoming guru without any authority. That is not guru. You must be authorized."

Then he says:

"You can dress like a guru, you can talk big, big words, but it will never be effective."

 

Srila Prabhupada goes on to say that Prahlad Maharaja is our guru. So it's not simply on the basis of your Spiritual Master passing away, so now instantly you're authorized and you can become guru. The authorization is not that simply your guru has gone into samadhi or left the planet, and that automatically authorizes you, or that you get some institutional group to authorize you.

Tamohara dasa;  Pamho. 

Our sadhana is a joke, it will never be adequate. It is only by mercy that we are uplifted despite our many offenses comitted during our so-called sadhanas.

Thinking of HDG Gour Govinda Swami;

"A Vaiṣṇava ācārya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. A false ācārya may try to override a Vaiṣṇava by a high-court decision, but Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga."

His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Madhya-lila : Madhya 1: The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu : Madhya 1.220 : Purport


and here is the authorization required for all us disciples;

 

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada once remarked to his disciples, "You must become a general like me. I cannot be defeated."

 

Śrīla Prabhupāda Says - [On leadership in his ISKCON society]

"...after you, who will take the leadership?" And "Everyone will take, all my disciples. If you want, you can take also. (laughter) But if you follow. They are prepared to sacrifice everything, so they'll take the leadership. I may, one, go away, but there will be hundreds, and they'll preach. If you want, you can also become a leader. We have no such thing, that 'Here is leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership, he's a leader. 'Indian,' we have no such distinction, 'Indian,' 'European.' "

Brahmānanda: They wanted an Indian to be the leader?

Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughs) "Everyone, all my disciples, they are leaders. As purely as they follow, they become leader. If you want to follow, you can become a leader. You are Indian. But you don't want." I told them that.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, they probably wanted to propose somebody who would take over our movement.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Leaders. All nonsense. Leader means one who has become first-class disciple. He is leader. Evaṁ paramparā-prāpta... One who is perfectly following... Our instruction is ara na kariha mane asa **. You know this? What is that? Guru-mukha-padma-vākya, cittete kariyā aikya, ara na kariha mane asa **.

Who is leader? A leader, to become leader, is not very difficult, provided one is prepared to follow the instructions of a bona fide guru.

[Room Conversation: Vṛndāvan 2 Nov 1977]

Tdasa; Srila Prabhupada had no written authorization to be guru either, but he had general authorization by dint of having been sent to preach by Srila Bhaktisiddhnta Saraswati. Our authorization is similar, but we must follow and come up to par.