Mayapur Dangerous, Sex in Vrindavana, Sannyasa Mockery; Holy Krishnas!

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Note; the following goings-on reflect the guru cult GBC-iskcon, not the members of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON nor the Prabhupadanugas in general. Two of the three ensuing articles  depict  the legacy of the GBC cult system.

 

Mayapur Becoming More Dangerous due to
Muslim Gangs

 

BY: SRINANDAN DASA

Jan 14, 2011 — SRIDHAM MAYAPUR, WEST BENGAL (SUN) — One Important point is to NEVER travel at night. The danger is increasing. From the blog of Hindu Samhati.

 

Is Mounting Criminal Activity in Mayapur Part of a Greater Conspiracy?

 

It may appear to be strange to many but in reality, more with the passage of days, Mayapur, considered one of the holiest cities in the Hindu tradition, is becoming a den of Islamic criminal activities more and more. Just recently, on January 2nd, 2011, 7 to 8 tourist buses moving towards the ISKCON temple became subject to looting and all forms of pillages, at Jangal More of PS: Dhubulia, led by a band of Muslim armed robbers. Not even the small cars were spared and as per the latest information, a good amount of money (amounting to a few lakhs), gold jewelries and 20 cell phones were looted.

 

The extensive plundering took place between 1.30 am and 3.30 am, devoid of any resistance, and the passengers were also beaten mercilessly. It is to be noted, Mayapur, is positioned on the banks of the Ganges River, close to her confluence with the Jalangi, near Navadvip, West Bengal, 130 km north of Kolkata (Calcutta). The city is the global headquarters of ISKCON and is also the birthplace of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Millions of pilgrims visit the city every year.

 

It is worthwhile to mention that a few buses had been ransacked and passengers beaten likewise in the last year, too, and at the same place. It has been alleged that local religious Muslim organizations in Nadia district are behind the criminals, and wish to rid the district of the influence of Mayapur, thus weakening the area's Hindus. All this have infuriated Hindus in the locale. To a large extent, they consider this to be nothing but a grave failure of the police and administration. The majority of Hindus consider this as a serious threat to the flourishing tourism industry and to the pilgrimage spot. However, Champak Bhattacharya, SP is not without confidence and is hopeful that the felons will be identified and arrested soon.

 

The first victim of the incident this year was a bus traveling all the way from the neighboring state of Orissa. As stated by one of its passengers, the entire incident occurred in the dark night when they were sleeping, and it was masterminded by a group of highly armed Muslim youths, who were joined by 10-12 others.

 

In accordance with local sources, a few other buses and small automobiles were also attacked by members of the Muslim mafia at the same time, and one of the buses was from Alipurduar (mainly), but at that time was coming from Puri.

 

One of the heavily injured passengers was Dipak Roy, who was in a bus traveling from Howrah. He hails from Chinsurah, and was beaten heavily for refusing to bow to the demands of the Muslim assailants to open the gate of the bus. He was admitted in Shaktinagar District Hospital.

 

Gouranga das, PRO (Pubic Relations Officer) of Mayapur ISKCON stated that the entire area is without any sort of police protection and in spite of a series of said events at the same place led by Muslim criminal gangs, the police are yet to adopt any proactive measures. People visit the place from across the globe and are robbed and assaulted. This denigrates only the district police.

 

Muslim activists in Nadia backed by Islamist religious elements in West Bengal and Bangladesh have been successful in creating a well entrenched and networked mafia to harass and disturb the religious and other activities of the district's Hindus. A similar trend is being seen in Murshidabad district, as well. Hindus in West Bengal must consolidate solidly to counter these plans of the communal-minded Muslims.

 

 

 

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From: [e-mail]

Date: February 7, 2011 6:51:03 PM PST

courtesy Stephen Knapp, & Uttama Sloka Prabhu.

If this continues to grow or continue, it may be best for anyone who is sincere and wants to visit or settle in Vrindavana to move to such places like Radha Kund or Govardhan, etc. to avoid the pollutants that affect the purity of the holy dham.  

    Hare Krishna.

 

Is prostitution now part of Vrindavan’s tourist trade?

http://www.news.vrindavantoday.org/2011/02/is-prostitution-part-of-...

by Jagat on February 2, 2011

How extensive is prostitution in Vrindavan? And are foreign women involved in it? Has the tourism industry in India grown to include sexual tourism also?

Allegations of prostitution in the midst of Vrindavan’s international devotee community surfaced yesterday on Facebook.

Rumors of prostitution activity have been making the rounds for some time, but since we have been getting more and more information on this issue from several sources, we have decided to report on it here on Vrindavan Today to the extent we are able to at present.

Videshidas [all names have been changed], a devotee from Belgium, wrote, “I got such a bad shock this time on visiting Vrindavan when I saw that prostitution is going on big time in the Dham!”

Devadatta Das, another devotee who has been living in the Dham for 18 years, said, “We were approached by the local milkman, who turns out to actually be a pimp. He asked us if we wanted a girl. For a Russian girl, the price was Rs. 3000, for an Indian Rs. 500.”

Videshidas further said that the women involved are not only Russian (though “mostly Russian”) and Indian, but includes American also.

It may come as a surprise that women professing to be devotees are engaged in prostitution in the holy land. Some say that the logic behind it is that these women are sincere and want to stay in the devotional atmosphere of the Dham, but have no source of income to stay there. But this does not explain why devotee men are amongst those who are using their services.

Other sources also allege that Indian men who are not necessarily from the devotee community, on hearing of the trend, are increasingly coming to Vrindavan lured by the prospect of having sex with Western women. The trade apparently takes place, at different apartments, guest house complexes, and even ashrams in the Raman Reti area.

According to statements made on his blog, Swami Balendu of Bindu Seva Sansthan in Vrindavan discusses reports in the newspapers from August of last year.

We have heard that prostitution in ashrams has been an ongoing business in Vrindavan since a while. Police raided one such ashram and found two prostitutes and their customers in the middle of intercourse. The pimp was also apprehended. The arrested women admitted in a statement that they had been using the rooms of ashrams in this neighborhood to meet clients and have sex since a year. They explained that they believed ashrams to be safe environments for their work.

According to an article from India Today prostitutes from the former Soviet Union countries are in growing demand in India.

Since the fall of communism in the Soviet Union, one prominent development has been the exporting of sex workers from the former communist block around the world. India may not be the most lucrative destination, but it has been clearly playing a big role in the phenomenon.

Regarding the Eastern European women, Videshidas said, “It was always a curiosity to me that unmarried girls would be able to wear such costly saris and stay in Dham and roam around in the temple. Now we had our answer.”

Another informant, a European woman who has been working in the health care field in Vrindavan for the last ten years, said that she herself was asked two years ago if she would like to make quick money by meeting a man.

Surprised and shocked at the proposition, she said the woman who invited her, a Russian, told her that a group of women had organized a system whereby they would be driven to Delhi for “collecting money on sankirtan.” There they would meet clients and pocket the money for themselves. The women were allegedly devotees connected to ISKCON and the main point of connecting with clients was in the strip of shops across from the Krishna Balaram Mandir.

This same informant also said that another large source of prostitution in the Vrindavan area came from newly married Indian girls who had been abandoned by their husbands. By working in the local community as a health care worker, she said she had had numerous opportunities to witness cases where girls were forced into prostitution by such circumstances.

The pattern, she explained, was one where a family would agree to take a girl for their son as bride, take the agreed upon dowry, and a few months after the marriage would leave the new bride on the streets to fend for herself. Since most of these girls were not able to return to their original homes, they were left with little option but to sell their bodies.

The traffic has been taking place, she said, in cheap guesthouses on the outskirts of Mathura and Vrindavan. She said the girls from Mathura bring their clients to Vrindavan so as not to be recognized by anyone; and the girls from Vrindavan go to Mathura for the same reason.

Local residents confirm these things. One Brajvasi said that many Indian men come from Delhi and other nearby towns to avail themselves of the opportunities being provided. Some devotees even report being approached by Russian girls in Loi Bazaar.

Even more troubling are reports of child prostitution. One person reported that at the gate of the Krishna Balaram Mandir on Chattikar Road, “small children approach devotee men and ask them if they want to do sex for money.” One European devotee confirms this, saying that he was approached by a 5-year-old who told him that he had a younger brother who was sick. The child was offering sex to get money for medicines and treatment!

Devotees who take ISKCON’s four regulative principles seriously (“No meat eating, no intoxication, no gambling and no illicit sex”) are extremely disturbed by the development. Videshidas says, “We were disgusted at what we saw with our own eyes! This is really happening and we should act against it, especially if these women pose as devotees in the Dham, but are actually polluting it badly and giving it and the devotional institutions there a bad name.”

“It is a hard fact to face, but we need to look the truth in the eyes by pretending to be trancendental to it all. We should not sweep this under the carpet again and again! ISKCON is now becoming famous for prostitution.”

A few years ago, as ISKCON’s temple project in Mayapur began to be a huge draw for tourists, a big prostitution problem arose there also. The hotels that sprung up around the nearby ferry ghat were all hotbeds of the sex trade. Mayapur got the reputation of being the number one spot for paid sex in West Bengal and prostitution became the second major source of tourism in the area. ISKCON finally woke up and realized that their reputation was being hurt by the association of such activities in their neighborhood and they acted to clean up the area by pressuring the police.

If ISKCON Vrindavan decides to act immediately and effectively as was done in Mayapur, and other institutions follow suit, the problem can be contained without further damage to the community. Just as animal slaughter and alcohol are prohibited in the confines of Vrindavan, the same goes for prostitution.

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Charity for the Brahmanas

• Posted by Tamoharadasa v. (acbsp) on October 23, 2009 at 2:30pm
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Apr 14, '07 TORONTO, CANADA — Giving in charity to the brahmanas is essential to Vedic culture. Our Iskcon society may be benefited tremendously if we simply encourage our congregational grhastas to actually do this! There are too many poverty-restricted brahmanas, but where is the program to ensure that they are given sufficient charity to maintain themselves and their families, what to speak of performing the brahminical duty of expansively passing such charity on to others in need? Who better to empower than the surrendered, poverty-stricken devotees? Who do we want in control, a selfless brahmana or a self-motivated administrator? So where does Krsna’s Iskcon money go? Are the congregational members encouraged to give charity to the brahmanas, or are our brahmanas considered to be kali-yuga fakes not worthy of spending any money to support? I am not talking salaries here, but spontaneous donations to worthy devotees.
A place to sleep, nutritious prasadam, and steady service is more than enough charity to satisfy this brahmana-wannabe, but I myself have no family and no personal aspirations to great wealth except inasmuch as is required to keep body and soul together. I know of several devotees, just off the top of my head, who are pure devotees, but living in dire circumstances with no resources, sometimes ill, sometimes feeling forsaken, but still remaining in pure loving attachment to the Lord. I wish to see distribution of the resources a little more evenly. How is it that some sannyasis apparently control millions, while other Godbrothers who are pure and devoted have hardly a pair of socks without holes in them? I know that these prabhus do not complain, so all the more shame on the rest of us for failing to support the brahmanas adequately. Does the rule of every man for himself control us?

Our culture supports austerity, and it is evident enough, but we also stand for supporting devotional service. Who does more active service than the lowly sweeper of floors and cleaners of pots, the surrendered souls? Again, living in a temple is ideal, and should be encouraged, rather than discouraged as seems to be the case in some Canadian temples. There is inadequate facility to even house the devotees, but thousands are spent on up-grading pujari facilities, etc. and paying salaries to mixed devotees. Huge festivals go on, while Krsnadasa hasn’t even dental service. They will be rewarded, and Krsna knows their wages fair, so there is ultimately no loss on their part. But the rest of us will pay in hell if we fail to recognize the devotees as God-like and worthy of every support.

Like most others, I have had to take up work in order to maintain, instead of being at the temple preaching, where I actually belong, and where Srila Prabhupada intended those in the renounced ashrams to be. If we are finding that Srila Prabhupada’s disciples are largely living outside of the Iskcon structures, it is in part because there was no choice, there was no support, there was no encouragement. Those who have steadily stayed in Iskcon deserve less credit than is given, as many of these were in positions of privilege and power, and so for them it was relatively easy. So far as samadhis, build them for the 100% sincere devotees who split when some of our Godbrothers went nuts and tried prematurely to become themselves as good as God, forcing their greedy sick egos on the rest of us. Let those who said, “No change!” to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions be glorified, not those innovators who consider themselves better than our Sampradaya Founder-Acarya, and who continue to thus screw things up to the anxiety of the rest of us.

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 [e-mail] wrote:

 

 

Namaste and Jai Sri Krishna,

    The issues in the previous postings are real (from www.VrindavanaToday.org for the latest news and issues on the holy dham), but such issues have been developing for some time. However, they also need to be addressed so that remedies can be offered.

The town council is also one area to start with resolutions regarding what to do, as well as the corrupt state government which has been widening the roads, and had started the horrible bridge over the Yamuna project, to increase traffic to the holy dham.

    Fortunately, the roads are being improved to some degree, but the bridge seems to have stopped for now. All machinery for the bridge construction has also left the scene. But many ashramas and temples have had to reduce their property sizes because of the widening of the roads. 

    As it is, they have also paved the parikarama path around Vrindavana, and once while taking a rickasha on the path during the busy month of Kartika, it was filled with a traffic jam of cars, lines of two-way traffic.

I had never seen anything like that there before. Then, way up ahead, I was shocked to see that the main culprit in causing the traffic jam was a huge tourist bus trying to ply the path. That was too much. It should never have been there on a path that was meant originally for pedestrians.

    Personally, I feel that Vrindavana should stay as simple as always to keep the attraction of high levels of traffic from infiltrating the area so that only those who are the most serious continue to go there.

But allowing more of those who are serious about their spiritual development, and not those who are interested in fattening their wallets by making large land or property developments that are mostly for the rich, and thus forcing the locals out because they can no longer afford to live there.

The holy temples and Deities should remain the main focus there, not building exorbitant and plush apartments. That is not the mood of Vrindavana, and I hope it never will be.

    Prostitution is something I personally have not seen, but have heard about before in Vrindavana. That is also why some of the more serious devotees and pilgrims spend more time visiting places like Govardhan, Radha Kund, Vrinda Kund, and those places that are even more simple or austere, and a little harder to reach.

However, if it is a matter of women going there and then desperately trying to acquire the money for staying there because they no longer can afford it, it is a shame that they have to do that in Vrindavana, which certainly pollutes the area and the consciousness of people.

However, just as there are places to protect the cows, I feel there should also be LIGITIMATE places that help protect the women. I had written about that before in an article regarding, "Where are the Women's Ashramas?" for protecting those who really want to live only for attaining higher levels of devotion for Krishna.

There seems to be many ashramas for men, but few that provide facilities for women, and where women are then protected and cared for properly. Otherwise, the reputation of the holy land of Vrindavana will decrease.  

    As it is, the best time to visit Vrindavana is in the quiet months, generally in the heart of winter and the heat of summer. Not as many people go there then. But even this last Kartika (fall season) when I was there, and when it is the most busy, the shopkeepers were telling me that the poor global economy was keeping people from traveling, including to Vrindavana, and they were feeling the lack of sales.

So maybe there are some benefits when people have less facility to go there, and then only those who are the most serious will go, while others may prefer to go elsewhere.

    The simplicity of Vrindavana should remain focused on renunciation and focusing on the temples, the Deities, and the pastimes of Lord Krishna, which is why Vrindavana is still called "the land of Krishna." If anyone has any other interest, then there should be some system by which they are encouraged to go someplace else.

Sure, someone may say that anyone should have the freedom to live where they want, eat what they want, and do what they want. But as far as I am concerned, this is only Kali-yuga consciousness creeping in to spoil the holy dhams.

The Vedic prophecies predict that the holy dhams will disappear in due time anyway, and even the name of Krishna Himself will one day be forgotten. But let us not encourage that any more than necessary.

    We can only imagine the state of affairs in the world and the general mass consciousness of society that will pervade the planet once the holy land of Vrindavana is gone, or forgotten, or completely polluted with materialistic endeavors to the point where it has lost its meaning. I'm glad I will no longer be on this planet by the time that might happen.

So the best thing to do when we visit Vrindavana is to keep our simplicity, keep our focus on Sri Krishna, associate only with other devotees and saintly people, avoid the wrong association and wrong restaurants, and keep chanting the holy names of Krishna, and make our purpose and focus on our spiritual development. Then Krishna will protect you and you will set a proper example for others. 

And in this little way, we help preserve the sacredness of the holy dham. Then, other people like myself and the contacts that I have in Vrindavana can pressure the city council and other temples or organizations there to take additional actions, which may or may not work, but no one ever called me a quitter. But with the help from others, such as any readers of this, something can happen.

    

To begin with, as an additional point, any Indians in Uttar Pradesh, the state wherein Vrindavana is located, should try to vote out the corrupt Mayavati government who initiated this project of the bridge over the holy Yamuna River and the widening of the roads.

Why that happened is a whole topic by itself that I could relate on how the state government would make more money from the increase in pilgrims that visit the temples that the state administers. But I do not want to burden you with too much additional information.

    Hare Krishna,

    Sri Nandanandana dasa

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3 comments to VrindavanToday.org: Is prostitution now part of Vrindavan’s tourist trade?

• SG

  11. February 2011 at 09:33 · Reply

  “It is a hard fact to face, but we need to look the truth in the eyes by not pretending to be trancendental to it all. We should not sweep this under the carpet again and again! ISKCON is now becoming famous for prostitution.”

  So, what else is new about this perverted
  bogus iskcon. With ignorant caretakers ( gbc )
  ignorantly appointed half-baked gurus, it comes
  as no suprise.

• july9th

  11. February 2011 at 18:42 · Reply

  Devotee: Is there a list of offences, just like there is for the name?
  Prabhupada: Dhama aparadha. The greatest offence is to live in Vrndavana and have illicit sex.
  Devotee: Ha.
  Prabhupada: The greatest offence.. And other things also.
  Devotee: Hm.
  Prabhupada: These things are prohibited, no illicit sex, no intoxication, no gambling, no meat-eating.
  Devotee: Hm.
  Prabhupada: So such function is most offensive in Vrndavana. In other places it may be excused but here it is the greatest offence. In Vrndavana dhama what ever you do the result is 100 times increased.
  Devotee: Ha.
  Prabhupada: If you do devotional work then your devotion will be increased 100 times. In other places if you do 1% devotional that is 1%. If you do here 1% it will be 100%. Similarly if you do sinful activities 1% here, it will increase 100%. Vrndavana’s business is to increase, so better increase your devotional service than increase your material activities. That is Vrndavana. Suppose if you’re gambling, say 100 times increase. Which way will we shall try to 100 times? To get profit, or lose it? Hundred times loser, or 100 times gainer which is your business?
  Devotee: Hm.
  Prabhupada: Gainer. So, you do, ah? Even if you live for one day or two days and simply engaged in devotional service that will be 100 times increased. Therefore ordinary men is advised not to live in holy places more than three days.
  Devotee: Hm.
  Prabhupada: Because they are accustomed to do sinful activities, ah? As soon as they become a little acclimatised then they will begin sinful activities. It is better don’t live here more than three days. Go away.
  Devotee: Yes.
  Prabhupada: For three days he can keep himself pure and then on the fourth day the impure things will be…
  Devotees: Hare Krsna Hare Krsna, [chanting japa]…(740211MW-VRN [unpublished])

• chandra dasa

  12. February 2011 at 00:36 · Reply

  WOW Krishna HELP, this certainly is making me sick to the point of throwing up .The leaders should immediately and very fast work on this prostitution as the leaders will certainly get all the karma,i mean this is very serious. Called up a town meetings let everyone know what is going on in iskcon vrndavan, than all foreign devotees should be monitored – sorry but this is emergency it has to be done for the sake of our great movement. Hare Krishna. HELP !!!

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ISKCON's Tolerance of Sannyasa Mockery

BY: S.V. SHARMA

Feb 03, 2011 — VRINDABAN, INDIA (SUN) — One of the most damaging things to ISKCON, in my humble opinion, is the tolerance of sannyasis in the ISKCON group being allowed to keep large amounts of money. Money and women are the two items a devotee must shun before he accepts the renounced order of sannyasa, and they are equally contaminating to the ahankara. If after taking sannyasa one is allowed to again become a controller of money, even in his own bank account, then all his tapas is lost. He becomes like a householder in his heart, yet he wants others to give him the respect of the renounced order. This is hypocrisy.

 

If one has a bogus guru that promotes such things by his own bad example, then nothing is to be expected of the followers of such an impostor guru in sannyasa dress. But with the perfect examples of renunciation by Rupa, Sanatan, Jiva, Gopal Bhatta, Raghunath Bhatta, and Raghunath das Goswamis, and the modern day example of Swami Prabhupada, the Acarya of the ISKCON organization, it is only shame to be brought on the ISKCON movement that some of their sannyasis are allowed to collect, harbor, or even invest monies that may have been given to them by their students, or left to them in wills by their departing parents. All money is after all Krishna's property, is it not?

 

Sriman Mahaprabhu would not even have audience with political figures who were seen to be attached to material opulence in the form of money and sense gratification, and he would divorce himself as the Supreme Lord from anyone posing in the elevated dress of sannyasa, but who was showing signs of attachment to artha and kama. When it is widely known here in Vrindaban and elsewhere in the world, that some ISKCON sannyasi gurus factually have millions of dollars in their personal bank account, yet they still carry the danda of one who is free from all such attachment, do they not make a mockery of sanatana-dharma? It is amazing how followers or students of such posers can accept such a person as truly representing our sannyasa dharma. Nowhere in our Vaishnava history is this allowed or accepted. That is the reason why sannyasa ashram is so widely respected here in India. Such renounced persons are bold enough to depend only on Krishna, and not on their daily investment reports.

 

No one I have seen on the Sampradaya Sun is discussing this error of the ISKCON leaders in tolerating the ISKCON sannyasa asram becoming an embarrassment to all Vaishnavas. If someone wins millions of dollars, inherits it, or is given it by his followers, but keeps it in his own name, is he not considered fallen if he doesn't immediately return it to its rightful owner - Sri Krishna?

 

Such lack of regulation of the sannyasa ashram in ISKCON may also encourage others who may be coming from the householder ashram, to wear the cloth of sannyasa when he primarily sees the financial opportunity in a so-called sannyasa ashram.

 

This most important negligence needs to be corrected if ISKCON's image of purity and parampara is to be maintained.

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Sannyasa, or Sans Us?

• Posted by Tamoharadasa v. (acbsp) on October 23, 2009 at 2:30pm
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May 15, '07 CALGARY, CANADA — About a year ago, I wrote to HH Prahladananda Swami to receive an application for sannyasa. I received the application, but a vow of allegiance to the GBC was a main feature. I wrote back, saying that I couldn't sign such a vow, that I was dedicated to Prabhupada's Iskcon, not to some questionable GBC body.
In response, he has refused to reply to my inquiries, and apparently also in what I perceive as a mood of political censorship, did not print an offering on my part to the Vaisnava health ministry publication about speech and language development among Iskcon infants, etc. despite saying he would do so before he received my denial of the GBC body as a body worthy of vowing one's sannyasa to. I am an audiologist by profession, and have a degree also in speech and language pathology, so I am well qualified. His change of mind and refusal to reply to me spoke volumes.

Srila Prabhupada specifically told all of us brahmanas to take sannyasa in later years. Iskcon has perverted that natural varna-ashrama function to instead be a rare annointing of "cardinals", a fact in opposition to the natural Vaisnava system. Instead of thousands of renounced preachers, we have a handful of "special" persons, and sannyasis handling daily management affairs. Gour Keshava Maharajah pointed this discrepancy out on Dandavats, near the begining of that website, in response to my question about how to go about taking sannyasa, saying that eventually Iskcon will have to rectify this strange arrangement.

On behalf of the many senior devotees who have been instructed by Prabhupada to take sannyasa in their old age, I am wondering how Iskcon GBC justifies demanding a vow of loyalty to their arguably corrupt system instead of to Sri Krsna Mahaprabhu and Srila Prabhupada? Do they think that oppressing the truthful brahmanas will be good for their schemes?


Sannyasa Asrama

Jun 2, CALGARY, CANADA — Further to the article "Sannyasa, or Sans Us", I have a relevant quote from our Spiritual Master. The current arrangements within ISKCON clearly fly in the face of the spirit of these instructions.

Sannyasa is a natural progression on the path of devi varna ashrama. This has been hijacked for political ends by those who have twisted the meaning of sannyasa. Now it has transmuted into something quite like the Catholic Church’s cardinals. This is not what Srila Prabhupada wanted, if the following has any relevance. Just read and judge for yourselves:

Prabhupada: YES. THAT IS A FORMALITY. THAT IS NOT VERY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE MAYAVADI SANNYASIS, THEY ARE ALSO VEDIC SANNYASIS. THEY ARE NOT OUTSIDERS. BUT THEIR INTERPRETATION OF VEDA IS DIFFERENT. BUT THEY FOLLOW THE VEDIC RULES. SO THIS ACCEPTANCE OF SANNYASA IS FOLLOWING A PRINCIPLE OF THE VEDIC RULES. SO THE MAYAVADI SANNYASI MAY DIFFER IN HIS INTERPRETATION, BUT HE'S FOLLOWING THE VEDIC RULES. SO THIS ACCEPTANCE OF SANNYASA IS FOLLOWING THE VEDIC RULES. SO YOU CAN ACCEPT SANNYASA EVEN FROM MAYAVADI. IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT YOU HAVE TO TRANSCEND THE LIMITS OF VEDIC RULES. THAT IS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. That also Caitanya Mahaprabhu... Although He took sannyasa, He did not assume the sannyasa title. His sannyasa guru was Kesava Bharati. Naturally, He would have accepted the Bharati title. Sri Krsna Bharati, or something like that. But He remained Sri Krsna Caitanya. Caitanya is the name of the brahmacari under the Bharati sannyasi. One brahmacari... The brahmacaris, they are assistant or personal servitors of a sannyasi. That is the system. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu was... In the beginning, He was accepted... That is the Mayavadi system. One is accepted first of all as brahmacari. So that, His name was Caitanya. But even after His acceptance of sannyasa, He did not assume the title Bharati. That means actually He did not take sannyasa. That was simply formality. Because Mayavadi sannyasi thinks that he is God; so how He can assume that title? He was preaching, He was going to preach that we are servant of God; therefore He did not assume that title. And besides that, when Caitanya Mahaprabhu was going to Lord..., see Jagannatha Puri, His rod was taken away by Nityananda and it was broken and thrown away. So He, apparently He became very angry that "You have broken My rod, sannyasa rod. So I am not going with You." He separated. These statements are there in the Caitanya-caritamrta. So in one sense, Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not require to accept any sannyasa guru, BUT HE ACCEPTED THE FORMALITY THAT IF ONE TAKES SANNYASA, ONE HAS TO TAKE SANNYASA FROM ANOTHER SANNYASI. THAT IS THE SYSTEM. JUST LIKE IF YOU WANT TO GET YOURSELF MARRIED, YOU HAVE TO CALL FOR A PRIEST. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE PRIEST'S PERSONAL OPINION. DO YOU FOLLOW? YES. HE MAY EXECUTE THE RULES AND REGULATION OF MARRIAGE CEREMONY, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ONE HAS TO AGREE WITH THE PRIEST'S OPINION, PERSONAL OPINION. THIS IS THE ANSWER. But when you accept a spiritual master, that is not allowed. Unless you cent percent agree with the spiritual master's opinion or philosophy, there is no need of accepting a spiritual master. There is no need. Yes.


At 9:13pm on October 24, 2009, HH B. RADHA-GOVINDA SWAMI said…

You wrote: "Yes, one has to sign and pledge allegiance to the GBC ! Since when in all of recorded history was this political type of oath a part of taking the ashrama of sannyasa ?? You are so right, it is quite absurd. That is why independent web sites have such value; We can tell the tuth, then people can take it or not. Otherwise, all they hear is the party line of deviatons. Everyone in the world has become a propaganda expert 'As the great men do, so the whole world follows (imitates)'."

In Kali Yuga, because so many of us are devoid of proper intelligence - I include myself in this description - many times we accept someone who is possessed with demonic qualities to be "great." We attribute qualification to someone ONLY because they have some position. So it was/is within ITS GON; FOOLowers accepting this one or that (unqualified) person, even to "be a 'pure' devotee" when the person is clearly exhibiting demonic tendencies; such acceptance to the point of fanaticism, that such FOOLowers will beat up and even kill GOOD (qualitied) people. So today in Kali Yuga, things are so topsy-turvied.

In a way, you should be GLAD!!! that Prahladananda refused you sannyas, because had he not done so, there's a possibility your sannyas would have been given a compromiser.

Prahladananda himself is such a COMROMISER. He (along with the other GBC and ISKCON sannyasis, KNOW that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. (No need to go into the details of how I know this, because I don't want to get anyone into "unnecessary" trouble.) But the following is a fact: At one point someone was discussing with Prahladananda about Srila Prabhupada's being poisoned. Prahladananda acknowledged that ALL the GBC and ISKCON sannyasis at that time KNEW this to be a FACT. This other devotee asked Prahladananda (since he's the "ISKCON 'sannyas minister'") if he knew of any sannyasi who would "get on board" for pushing the GBC to do something regarding Srila Prabhupada's having been poisoned. Prahladananda then went through the list of ISKCON sannyasis, and for each one, he would "give a reason" why he knew that they would NOT!!! make a push in this regard. He would make various comments of this regard: "Oh, he's getting a lot of money, so he wouldn't do it." "He's waiting for his perks, so he wouldn't do it." And they went down the line of the list of ISKCON sannyasis, Prahladananda giving various "reasons" along these lines of "why this and that one will NOT "do it," EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW, and this was THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER, Srila Prabhupada, Who was GIVEN POISON to MURDER!!! Him. (And of course, Prahladananda wouldn't "get on board" either; so that says something about him also.)

So it is GOOD that you didn't have to accept sannyas from some compromiser. I WONDER how many (few, if any) of these ISKCON sannyasis would stay under a tree for rendering service in terms of preaching. OR, how many of them would have taken sannyas IF they REALLY had to LIVE!!! according to the PRINCIPLES of sannyas? I wonder how many of them would have taken sannyas if there was a stipulation that they were not allowed to be getting the money that they do by "being" "a sannyasi." So how many of them have taken sannyas for the REAL reasons of accepting sannyas?

What an ASININE (and HYPOCRITICAL) thing, that when someone wants to take sannyas they have to "pledge themselves" TO THE GBC!!! (Greedy Bastard's Club) a body that is SO!!! DEVIATED!!! from Srila Prabhupada's desires. I could see if they wanted the person to pledge themselves to SRILA PRABHUPADA!!! (But it just shows you how OFF they REALLY are.)

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Srila  Prabhupada  Quote  of  the  Day: "... this will deviate your principle of sannyasa."

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Founder~Acharya of the Krsna Consciousness Movement     9 January, 1974  Los Angeles Letter to Revatinandana Swami    "I know you are a very good cook and I can understand that you have found the books useful for distribution. I have no objection to your printing it with the name "Revatinandana Swami's Cookbook," but the royalty should go to the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. Just as I am publishing Bhagavad-gita As It Is with Macmillan Co. but the royalty is going to the BBT. I think this method is appropriate. If you yourself take the royalty it will be personal interest in money and trade, and this will deviate your principle of sannyasa. Sannyasi means he is in renounced order and lives by begging alms for the bare necessities of life. It is not good to make trade to get money for personal expenditure. If the royalty is given to the BBT, we will keep a separate account from this royalty and necessary expenditures for your preaching may be supplied from the BBT."

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IRM: An ISKCON guru confesses all!

Inside the guru hoax meltdown: An ISKCON guru confesses all!

BackTo Prabhupada, Issue 29: When an artificial guru system is concocted, based not on spiritual principles, but rather on the pursuit and expansion of power, infighting and chaos will automatically result.
When one disobeys the orders of the bona fide spiritual master by usurping his position, disciples, assets and worship, only failure, chaos and deviation will result as Srila Prabhupada has repeatedly warned us:

“Our mission is to serve (…) Not that you take the place of the guru. That is nonsense, very dangerous. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become ambitious to take the place of guru – gurusu nara matih. That is the material disease.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, April 20th,1977)
 
“And as soon as he learns the Guru Maharaja is dead, “Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.” Then he’s finished.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, August 16th,1976)

As proof that Srila Prabhupada’s warnings above are applicable to ISKCON’s current unauthorised GBC elected guru hoaxer system, below we present ample evidence from one of ISKCON’s own current GBC voted in gurus, HH Mahavishnu Swami (“MVS”). In letters MVS wrote to the GBC and others, he offers an insight into the guru hoax meltdown, and also reveals his own personal meltdown in trying to pose as a successor guru to Srila Prabhupada.
The extracts in the tinted panels below, unless otherwise specified, are from letters written by MVS.

ISKCON compared to the great anti-Krishna demon Kamsa
Part 1

“I know there are the “guru fall down and boiling down the milk” counter arguments to the above and maybe this dialectic will just go on forever even as ISKCON dries up as it becomes more and more a heavy-handed Kamsa-ised organised religion smothering spontaneous devotional creepers right and left.”

ISKCON compared to the great anti-Krishna demon Kamsa
Part 2

“So did he (Srila Prabhupada) really later on want us to put a brake on expanding to “at least maintain” what he gave us? Excuse me please but I feel that with this mental laxitude step by step ISKCON will just get more “Kamsa-ised” into yet another defunct organised religion bogged down in its own politics trying (very sincerely, of course), to just “at least maintain”.

Fallen, frustrated and castrated ISKCON gurus

“…in UK (for instance) the ISKCON Managing Council or its sub-committee (presumably understandably acting in a controlling reactive protective mood after so many of its own past UK local initiating guru falldowns) has set up initiation standards and procedures without even inviting input from all the ISKCON Diksa Gurus who initiate disciples in the UK thus making unrealistic standards and procedures which foster bad feelings both from aspiring candidates and from frustrated (castrated?) visiting and resident gurus.”

Unaccountable GBC gurus and GBC spies

“..the GBC authority credibility is being undermined because ISKCON’s published Law Book Initiation standards are being openly flouted as they are being either made locally more restrictive and discouraging (as in the case of UK standards), or being adjusted according to time and circumstances by unaccountable GBC Gurus or ISKCON gurus “out of GBC range” of GBC spies.”

Unwilling guru apologists

“In the early days in expanding ISKCON Srila Prabhupada was very personal and lenient but in UK for instance I have heard complaints from my fellow-ISKCON gurus that the institutional standards set by ISKCON UK are off-putting straight jackets for aspirants seeking personal shelter. The gurus themselves find themselves having to unwillingly become apologists for ISKCON’s rigid impersonal policies.”

Disunity and fragmentation

“If ISKCON instituted kamsa-blanket centralised initiation standards are imposed on a zone by its big established temples then budding devotional communities will prefer to develop legally outside of ISKCON’s legal jurisdiction creating the disunity and fragmentation of ISKCON, (as in Brighton, UK).”

ISKCON has no trust of its voted in gurus

“It even seems that the ISKCON “establishment” has no trust of gurus and that is also not so surprising because of ISKCON gurus track records in the past.”

In all the preceding entries, MVS details the power struggle going on between the elected gurus and ISKCON’s management authorities, and the resultant chaos and breakdown. His criticisms are more harsh than whatever has been on the pages of BTP, as he compared ISKCON to the demon Kamsa.
Below, MVS turns his attention to his own personal failings as a GBC elected guru:

Misguiding devotees

“I want to apologise for my seriously having misguided the devotees on this year’s East African Festival Tour (23rd January – 22nd February 2008) [...] So I am feeling very ashamed and regretful that I caused this to happen. l was not fit as the spiritual mentor of the Festival team. It is now obvious that my hippiesh upbringing’s attitudes are still not cleansed from my heart. So I need to rectify my standard of devotional service at all costs.”

Losing the faith of “disciples”

“I feel the need to apologise to you both for dealing inconsiderately and pushing your tolerance so much that you lost faith in me as your spiritual master and ISKCON. I was not concerned enough about your welfare to act appropriately.”

Unable to look after “disciples”

“I can also hardly look after my about 100 disciples properly [...] So I do not want to be an embarrassment may consider visiting Russia again provided I am invited and I am allowed to collect donations. But I doubt if that will ever happen. Even if it did I will be frightened of getting committed to having more Russian disciples.”

A bona fide and authorised spiritual master, by definition, can never mislead or give wrong advice and thus hinder a soul’s journey back to Godhead:
“According to sastra, the duty of the guru is to take the disciple back home, back to Godhead. If he is unable to do so and instead hinders the disciple in going back to Godhead, he should not be a guru.”
(Srimad Bhagavatam 8.20.1, purport)

Yet, in the entries above, MVS apologises for doing just that!

Chastised by juniors

Below, MVS also reveals that he was chastised for his misbehaviour by two devotees.

“He rightfully complained to our ISKCON authorities in UK that an ISKCON sannyasi had done such a thing. Kripamoya and Praghosa Prabhus in the UK brought me to task and I began to realise the negligence and foolishness of my actions.

Then after further realisation and regret and on their advice, I sent a marriage annulment letter to the parties concerned. I stated in that letter that as the couple were not unmarried the marriage I had conducted was not authorised morally or legally and therefore it was being annulled by me.”

At the time of going to press, neither of the two devotees mentioned are, unlike MVS, “gurus” or sannyasis (renunciants), and are therefore, according to ISKCON, MVS’s spiritual juniors.

So not only is MVS acting, on his own admission, without moral or legal authority, but he had to be chastised by two juniors before he realised his bogus actions! Clearly, he cannot be an empowered bona fide Vaishnava guru since a bona fide guru can never be disciplined, counselled or corrected:
“It is an offense to consider an empowered Vaisnava an object of disciplinary action. It is offensive to try to give him advice or to correct him.”
(Nectar of Instruction, Text 7, purport)
We have copiously documented, in several issues of BTP, the philosophical U-turns and climbdowns by ISKCON’s GBC and gurus and their lip service to the IRM’s program of promoting Srila Prabhupada as the real guru of ISKCON. Now, in addition to all the above, MVS also decides to join the “agree with the IRM” program:

Srila Prabhupada is the real guru, not me

“I may have given you diksa but our pre-eminent siksa guru is of course Srila Prabhupada not me. He is still fully living in his instructions. You must take advantage of them and become his emissary.”

Here MVS admits that Srila Prabhupada and not he, is giving siksha (spiritual instruction). MVS claims that he himself is giving diksha (spiritual initiation), but even this claim is bogus as the GBC itself agrees with the IRM that siksha is the “principal active ingredient of diksa”:

“Such uplifting knowledge is called divya jnana, and its transmission is called siksa.This divya jnana is the principal active ingredient of diksa.”
(GBC Resolution No.404, 1999)

And MVS admits he is not supplying this “principal active ingredient of diksa”.
Thus, Srila Prabhupada is the only diksha or initiating guru in ISKCON, not MVS or anyone else – something he and the GBC should have realised by now after singing every day for the past 30 years or more to Srila Prabhupada during the Guru-puja prayers that he is the one delivering this “divya-jnana”!
Further confirming the IRM’s “ritvik” position that the guru (Srila Prabhupada) does not need to physically meet disciples to initiate them, MVS admits in another letter:

“Srila Prabhupada had disciples who he had never seen physically.”

But still wants to play guru

Of course, the desire to be worshipped as good as God in imitation of the fully authorised and bona fide guru Srila Prabhupada, is just too strong to resist:

“My Vyasa Puja 2010 went off quite well. Late last night 11/2/10 in Hotel Amical, Bunia, DR Congo. Had short talks, my foot washing & guru puja and arati & pioneering feast prepared of imported Egyptian full cream milk & imported Italian spaghetti.”
(MVS SMS text, February 12th, 2010)

“I personally have a niyamag-raha trait and try and go strictly by the ISKCON Lawbook and the prevailing local initiation standards for fear of getting censored and defrocked so I really want a more flexible straightjacket to live in as a dreaded naughty-boy ISKCON Initiating guru.”

Conclusion

Thus, in addition to ISKCON’s “guru wars” documented in previous Back To Prabhupada issues, we now see that “Guru GBC” wars can be added to the power struggles going an in ISKCON.

Previously, in BTP 14, we published the equally stunning revelations of ISKCON GBC guru and Sannyasa Minister HH Prahladananda Swami in our article, “ISKCON guru exposes his own guru system”. And in BTP 20, we quoted yet another GBC member, Badrinarayan Das, stating:
“Having gurus crash and burn every few years is the main cause of ISKCON’s diminished reputation and strength and I don’t see what we have put in place to break this pattern.”

It seems as if ISKCON’s GBC and voted-in gurus can’t help but condemn the bogus system they themselves have invented; and yet the desire to replace Srila Prabhupada is so irresistible that even though they now agree in theory with the IRM’s invincible philosophical position, they will still keep the practice of their unauthorised guru system and attendant worship intact! Srila Prabhupada speaks of this tendency as follows:

“That is the difficulty. Everyone sees that, “Some way or other, I become guru. Then so many persons will offer me respect. Somehow or other, create some situation. Then I become guru. [...] This is going on. Not bona fide guru. [...] Somehow or other become popular and become guru. This is going on.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 2nd, 1976)

It is clear that the GBC’s guru hoax system is facing serious meltdown, and we hope it is now only a question of when, not if, they adopt the IRM’s position and at last reinstate Srila Prabhupada as ISKCON’s only diksha guru.

 

Related posts:

1. ISKCON Revival Movement: “Ritvik is the same as a Diksa-guru?”
2. Iskcon and the Guru Issue Part 5 – Brief History of Guru Hoax in IS...
3. London Prabhupadanugas: ISKCON GBC’s strange varieties of guru

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February 8th, 2011 | Tags: Bunia, DR Congo, Egyptian full cream milk, guru wars, Hotel Amical, Italian spaghetti, Nectar of Instruction | Category: prabhupadanugas

1 comment to IRM: An ISKCON guru confesses all!

• july9th

  8. February 2011 at 11:58 · Reply

  “He rightfully complained to our ISKCON authorities in UK that an ISKCON sannyasi had done such a thing. Kripamoya and Praghosa Prabhus in the UK brought me to task and I began to realise the negligence and foolishness of my actions.
  Then after further realisation and regret and on their advice, I sent a marriage annulment letter to the parties concerned. I stated in that letter that as the couple were not unmarried the marriage I had conducted was not authorised morally or legally and therefore it was being annulled by me.”
  

  This above quote from BTP 29 confirms a letter received 3/1/09 [see below]. When I received this letter I had some doubts as to its validity as the contents seemed so unbelievable.
  Just see the devastation these fools create.

  On Sun, 3/1/09, P.G. wrote:

  From: P.G.
  Subject: Hare Krishna
  To: [e-mail]
  Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 1:00 PM

  hare krishna
  Dear Prabhu i would like to ask you for your help to find me the the emails of every GBC in europe as I have writen an email with some of my concerns which I am forwarding to you(its very personal)and I also would Like to send it to all GBCs in europe .I would be more than thankful if you could send me a list of GBCs emails addresses.

  hare krishna
  Dear devotees and maharajas to which this email will be sent to.
  Please accept my humble respects to you and all the vaishnavas.
  My name is Premananda Sukhy Dasa I am a Brazilian national and I first took my first and only initiation in 1999 after a long term relation with the Hare Krishna movement and with my dear guru mahaja HH Param Gati Swami .( Its important to remark that my opinions reflect my individual mind and therefore should not be compared or taken as if I am writing on my Gurus behalf)
  Ever since then I have served and lived in few temples in Brazil and also in Lisbon /Portugal in the year of 2002 .I currently live in London/UK where I work as full time teacher , I am also known to most of the regulars and residents devotees of our Dear Soho temple where Radha-london-isvara resides

  First of all I would like to apologize for the lack of language skills but the message that I would like to deliver has very little to do with language skills or erudition.(so if the message does not come clear , I would be happy to explain to anyone with a genuine concern)

  The story line and the issues i want to raise goes as such Few weeks ago a group of devotees from London , Europe and other countries went to a trip mission to Africa under the guidance of H.H Mahavishnu Swami for whom I know very little and for whom I have great respect for. my wife ( Radhika Maharani DD) who was also invited by some devotees to this trip , also went to Africa with them . Me and Radhika Majarani DD got married in London in 2002 and in 2004 our son Ishtan Dasa was born .

  Its true to say that things between me and her in the last year or so was not that good and therefore we both amicably decided to not be together anymore and have a break to try to work things out as much as possible we could and to have a good and decent relation with each other but we never got divorced nor did we move out from our homes though .It was for two main reasons which are :

  first is that I live in the UK under the visa of a husband of someone who is a European national(she is European) and divorcing would result in beaurocratic complications and the second and if not the most important of the two main reasons was that things were never really clear whether it would be definitive or not to divorce as we were never sure if one day , sooner or later we would be together again as we still lived together (me, her and our son) till the very last day before she went to Africa , and as anyone else in this material world we tried to solve the problems which we both lived under .

  At first when she decided to go to Africa was I was the first person to encourage her to go as it would have been a great experience(as i believe it were) and also that it would be good for both of us to have a break from each other.(a break from routine life at home)I took some time off and went to Israel/Palestine for 10 days ,during my trip I had the great pleasure to visit Tel aviv temple on bhaktisidhanta saraswati takur depapearence day ,where all the devotees(most Russians) were very warm and welcome and where the prasadam was just amazing (thank you so much).I made my way back to London on Feb.15th and since that day I only hear from my wife only once which was 2 days ago when she came back to London.For my surprise she never came back home was it would have been the normal and the expected . I phoned her few times till I could get hold of her later that night where we had a short conversation and where she told me that she was not going to comeback home.After i put the phone down i went to the place where she was and for my surprise again i found her in a room where a devotee Rukmini Dasa was and wouldn’t leave the room ,obviously it was not my house therefore I had no choice to only speak with her in front of him (which at the beginning was not a big deal) but the most striking for me was when I saw a finger ring (gold type) in one of her finger and I asked her what that was for or if she was engaged with someone , her reply was ” yeah , I got married” shocked and perplexed I could not believe if was a joke or not(and I still cannot figure that out )after few moments of surreal explanations and despair I left and rode my bike back home where I had a hard time concentrating , sleeping, eating or rationally thinking .

  With Krishnas mercy all will be good!!! but I managed to calm down on my feelings and even though I find myself very sad and depressed I could organize some my thoughts in a logical order where I raise some serious questions up about Vaishnava ethical practice and if any of you could help me to understand to solve these questions I am more than glad to accept any good and decent explanations based on the Vedas.although I just would like to clarify that this has very little to do with her(Radhika Maharani DD) happiness and I also would like to express that if that is really what she wants and believe to be the best for her ,(although I dont believe that she is acting rationally)I then shall wish all the happiness and blessings that Krishna can give to someone who wants to live a married life in Krishna consciousness.First in order to construct my first question you must acknowledge few things in a certain order:

  Radhika Maharani DD although an excellent devotee of the Lord is very new in Krishna consciousness and therefore very naive in many ways , this does not reflect on her intelligence which I would consider under normal circumstances very high and sharp.she was initiated less than a year ago during Param Gati swami vyasa puja in Lisbon in 2008 (again it also does not inflict whether in anyhow on questioning his seriousness and qualifications)
  another important and if not the most serious question to point out is that H.H Mahavishnu Swami who knew absolutely NOTHING about Radhika M DD , not even her name before she went to Africa or what to say about her personal life could married her in a fire ceremony in Africa only few days after he met her and without the consentment or/and blessings of her guru? I personally (based on my own experience and with a good sense of reality) find it totally out of order.(i honestly wish and I pray that I am wrong).specially coming from someone with such great reputation . Here is my question: as he knew NOTHING at all about her (or only what she might have told him which is still not enough to take such action) and as its said on

  Srimad Bhagavatam 5.26.8 ”My dear King, a person who appropriates another’s legitimate wife, children or money is arrested at the time of death by the fierce Yamadutas, who bind him with the rope of time and forcibly throw him into the hellish planet known as Tamisra On this very dark planet, the sinful man is chastised by the Yamadutas, who beat and rebuke him. He is starved, and he is given no water to drink. Thus the wrathful assistants of Yamaraja cause him severe suffering, and sometimes he faints from their chastisement”

  How could he marry her to another man when she is still married to me????????????

  Its a fact to say that we are not religiously married in a fire ceremony (agni-hotra) as prescribed in the samskara but its also a fact to say that we are legally married under the British law.and that (to the best of my knowledge ) we would still live together as it was agreed Between both of us and we would try once more and harder to solve our material lives problems together as its said in the garga upanisad ” He is a miserly man who does not solve the problems of this life as a human and he who thus quits this world like the cats and dogs ,without understanding the science of self-realization” putting the science of self realization aside which we all regardless of our legal status can reach by Krishnas mercy ,i needless to say have problems and compromises to solve and to accomplish but it does makes me feel ,much like a failure when things have changed so drastically over a so short period of time.I still haven’t heard from Radhika M dd, I still don’t know how things are going to be like and I still don’t know how our lives are going to be since she wont come home no more and since I probably wont see my son everyday/week and maybe month as im used to .all this spiritual matters has affected my material life both emotionally , psychologically and spiritual practice as it has trembled maybe 00.1% of my faith in what concerns possible mistakes made by vaishnavas.

  another and yet important point is that she just met her new husband for whom i believe she is or they are totallyll” in love ”with each other (which is to say, MAYA!) apart from seen it as a lack of respect from both ,hers , his(her new husband) and from H H Mahavishnu Swami whom consented and executed the ceremony in which they bounded their recently met souls together I Find it morally devastating and simultaneously so surreal that someone so young and so new in the krishna counciouness could manage to convience a well respected sanyasi to marry her to someone when he bearely knew anything about her(as I said ,not even her name before she went to Africa few weeks ago ).How could he consent, agree, encourage, accept ,and give his Blessings to such strange and mundane event as simple as that Going to africa for a spiritual journey and coming back with a husband.

  Those are some concerns of a simple vaishnava who is or try his best to be a decent man ,a good father and a servant of the servant.
  I have written a long and extensive letter in a language which is not my language please accept my apologies if in anyhow I committed an offense to any of you including and specially H H Mahavishnu Swami to whom this email will also be sent to ,I did not intend in anyhow to offende you.

  I also like to express my gratitude for all devotees who showed some solidarity and respect to me in the last few days .
  I wish you all a Great Gaura Purnima
  All glories to Sri Guru and Sri gouranga
  yours sincerely and well-wisher
  most fallen servant
  Premananda sukhy dasa

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Jiva Atma on 28. October 2011 at 7:35 pm said:

Why not do as Prabhupada instructs? :

Forbid sannyasa as a fashion, but maintain the sannyasa order for suitably qualified devotees “at the last stage of life.”

Lectures : General Lectures : Evening Lecture — Bhuvanesvara, January 23, 1977 : 770123LE.BHU :
Prabhupāda: …So to accept this position-brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, and sannyāsa—is compulsory. It is not that one has to take sannyāsa as a fashion. No. Actually it is absolutely necessary for any person at the last stage of life to accept sannyāsa…”

Because; “…without this classification, the whole society will remain in chaotic condition… ”

These are Prabhupada’s instructions, reaffirmed again, more than four months after the January 7 quotes banning sannyasa in ISKCON; On May 13, 1977, Prabhupada makes his position on Varṇāśrama-dharma, including the sannyasa order abundantly clear:

“According to Vedic civilization, the bodily identification is divided into eight: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, and sannyāsa. Varṇāśrama-dharma. So human civilization begins, according to Vedic understanding, when there is varṇāśrama system. Otherwise it is not human civilization. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam [Bg. 4.13].This system should be followed. Then, gradually, one has to come to the spiritual. Chaotic society cannot help us. There must be systematic social order: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, cātur-varṇyam, and brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, and sannyāsa. Sannyāsa is not voluntary, but it is compulsory. At the last stage one must take sannyāsa.”