Today I sent an invitation to a thread of Prabhupadanugas, so-called, to visit and join our site. I got four replies from those devotees, all of whom expressed not just a question, but outright rage towards me for having one single picture of Narayana Maharajah amongst the hundreds of Srila Prabhupada. This is called insanity. These devotees have become so twisted with anger that they can't even tolerate a photo of Narayana Maharajah. They would rather that hatred be bred and continued, instead of dialogue or discussion among the devotees, most of whom have no idea at all why there should be any animosity between Prabhupada's disciples and NM's disciples.
It is one thing to disagree and to discuss like gentlemen and act accordingly, it is another to become a crazy person on account of rage, and condemn the innocent on account of the actions of a few.
This is presicely what we want to fix, we want to stop this hatred and warfare, it is maya's domain.
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PS; Persons who are not willing to be accepting and understanding to their best ability are not encouraged to join this site membership. Devotees of Narayana Maharajah shouldn't have to fear that their spiritual master will be blindly misused here with vehemence, as all who come here should ideally be open to some degree of reasonable and friendly discussion and conflict resolution. Meanwhile i humbly suggest we try to bear in mind the sensitivities of the devotees of various camps. Most of us have heard the arguments many times now, and are looking for improvements, not just further mud-slinging. Pointing out errors is only good when it leads to betterment for SOMEbody, at least. I have realized that Prabhupada's disciples are thinning in number, yet there are new devotees by ritvik process to carry on. Hopefully the new generations will develop healthier relations with all than have been displayed by us old boys too much over the last years since Srila Prabhupada's disappearance day in '77.
Anyway, lets try for that Rhinoceros.
ISKCON has become a big house where everibody , muslims , crhistiams, bhudist, the all world can go to their temples and take shelter from them except devotees like Locanananda, one of my siksa gurus and others like him who are doing exactly what SRILA PRABHUPADA wanted of us ,I mean to do Hrinama sankirtan and distribute his books, that is their fault. And of course no one who follow mahabhagavats like Narayana maharaja an Sridhara maharaja.Those are excuded, all the others can go, give then money and go to hell.HARIBOL ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA.
Problem is, Sri Yamuna Prabhu, that we need to appreciate the lovers of Krsna,and work toegther as an associative unit, even if that association is sometimes imperfect. Otherwise, we shall simply continue to fight and splinter our numbers, just as the NWO and CIA and Interpol want! AGTSP! Pamho.
If we all put Srila Prabhupada and his mission at the very center, never mind anything else, then all these divisions just dissolve. Then it is just a question of whether we are serving and developing true devotion. As Sri Yamuna Prabhu points out, are we disrtibuting the Holy Names and glorifying Srila Prabhupada and the devotees? If not, we had better be chanting lots of good rounds, because show bottle is cheap.
In that same spirit, I suggest we come together now, because the enemies are at the walls, and many of them are us.
A.G.T.S.P. Tamohara Maharaja I agree with you. I firmly believe that there may be many problems, but chanting Hare Krsna is the solution to all problems. It can purify a person of hatred and envy. What I do not understand is this: how can people carry envy, anger and hatred for donkey years and are chanting Hare Krsna? Are they observing the ten offenses in chanting the holy name? Thank you and take care.
My wise friend; There are flavors of pure devotional service which incorporate dread, astonishment, devastation, anger, HORROR, etc. They are unavailable even in Goloka, so they are treasures. There is a unique devotional relish there. Its existence may be a mystical reason for the way Iskcon has been corrupted and the devotees scattered like a worldwide Yadu diaspora. That, plus the real Iskcon, like the Holy Spirit, has burst its vessel, and now encompasses the whole world on a spiritual platform. thus, our institution iskcon is but a fraction of the sanga.
Real forgiveness happens after attempts are made by the offender to rectify. The unqualified and Guru-Business Corporation continue to occupy positions of unauthorized power, thus skirting the whole disciplic succession from Srila Prabhupada, and have still really and physically and here and now around the planet, kicked ninety-five percent of their Godbrothers, pure devotees and saints and wives of the Lord. out of their father's house. First, fix that, then it can be improved for GBC-iskcon, from there.
Why the GBC is Irrelevant, Prahladananda Swami
BY: ACARYAVILASA DASA
Jan 04, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA (SUN) — The recent Sun posting of Prahladananda Swami's article, entitled "Duties of GBC and Guru in ISKCON", is more revealing of ISKCON's problems than he may realize.
Srila Prabhupada created ISKCON to practice and propagate the hearing and chanting of the glories of Sri Sri Radha Krsna, following the teaching of Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Our GBC will agree, however, their mistake is their emphasis on centralizing and bureaucracy and meetings, and more meetings, as a means to that end. Our GBCs are not famous for hearing and chanting, rather they are famous for meetings and meetings and more meetings.
To hear and chant does not require previous discussion or planning. One has to simply get the kartals out and start immediately. This is the movement of Sri Caitanya; it is the sankirtana movement, not the meeting movement.
If our big GBCs et al. went around the globe going from one sankirtana party to another, rather than one meeting to another, would not ISKCON be in a healthier spiritual state? Would not the apparent obsession of Prahladananda, i.e. the authority of the GBC, be enhanced?
What Prahladananda reveals in his article is the inverted GBC obsession with protocols and management. Without a touch of embarrassment, convinced of his own views, he frankly bores us with a jumble of questionable and sastrically incorrect management gobbledygook – all in the name of Srila Prabhupada, of course.
It is this management gobbledygook constantly churned out by the GBC that is destroying the GBC and making them largely irrelevant to the ISKCON Vaisnava community, who are not inspired by this, but rather bored. But Prahladananda cannot understand this and just walks down the same old rut with his ponderous, uninspiring essay. He and his mentality are more the problem than the solution.
His mentality has given us the threatening "ISKCON Law Book". His mentality has given us the bogus GBC rubber-stamped guru. His mentality has given us the concocted five-year sannyasa waiting list. His mentality has given us the badly edited books of Srila Prabhupada. And his mentality has made the GBC largely irrelevant. In short, that mentality only requires two words: "We Rule!" The GBC and stringers consider themselves the "Rulers of ISKCON". And so, like Prahladananda, they love coming up with more "rules" for us all to follow. Rules about ISKCON and gurus, rules about GBCs and ISKCON, rules about GBCs and gurus, rules about waiting lists, etc, etc.
They discuss these rules for hours and then present them to us as if we're all a bunch of untrustworthy serfs in their fiefdom. We are all ignorant and in need of their guidance. None of us have any idea about what Srila Prabhupada wanted or said, so we had better be kept in line – in a state of dependency under threat of their rules.
Now with all those concocted rules coming at them, is it any wonder no one's interested in the GBC? Who is going to be spiritually inspired by some self-righteous heavy with the ISKCON Rule Book in hand? Are souls coming to Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON so the GBC can wave their ISKCON Law Book at them? Is that the greeting we should give – "Here's the rules!"
Souls followed Srila Prabhupada because he inspired them. They felt safe and appreciated, loved transcendentally. Now if the GBC and stringers want to be genuine representatives of Srila Prabhupada, that is how they should approach the ISKCON Vaisnava community. And if the GBC are not inspiring, then how can they claim to be representatives of Srila Prabhupada?
Just saying, "we are the GBC" does not automatically make them the representatives of Srila Prabhupada. Nor does saying "We are the GBC" automatically make them "authorities".
The GBC's authority is now based on threat; the threat that the GBC will "throw you out of ISKCON". And the quickest way to get "thrown out" is to quote Srila Prabhupada and question GBC policies on that basis. Rubber-stamped gurus and sannyasis, salary men running the temples, selling of seminars, GBC centralizing and bureaucracy – bring up anything like that and the GBC will give you the big jackboot. After all, they consider that ISKCON is their territory and they are the top dogs, literally.
So Prahladananda, yes we see the problem. You have made it obvious: you and your GBC prefer your mental speculation to Guru, Sadhu and Sastra. You think that the ISKCON Law Book is better that the Nectar of Devotion. You think that you can ‘meet' your way back to Godhead.
You only try to rule, not inspire; that is why the GBC is seen as irrelevant.
So Praghosa (NYC) and Hasti Gopal, Toronto, both ACBSP, members of a Prabhupadanuga thread, re-included me in emails to their hard ritvik thread members, ( by mistake, apparently ) saying that all the Godbrothers need to work together, to give up our differences. Now, you should know that these two hate me because they fancy themselves and their forced philosophy the sole, and themselves the only correctly situated, "saviors" of Iskcon. I called them over Gour Govinda Swami, who they say is a pedophile supporter and unqualified guru pretender, and whom I say is innocent in such accusations, is in fact a Vaisnava Mahabhagavata. But they say only Prabhupada as guru for the rest of eternity, basically.
So I called them on their recent words of offered cooperation, and suggested that I agreed, we should give up our differences and cooperate. But as usual, it was all bluff and words and no reality with them. They are for cooperation alright, but only with godbrothers who agree with them on everything ! Like immature control freaks, same as are also on the other side of the fence. both the same , yet diferent. Meanwhile, despite Bhakti Ccaru Swami's big big words of reconciliation, there has been no movement in that direction, whatsoever, that Ii have seen. Instead, they are pushing harsh illegal moves to centralize authority in the hands of the royalty, to further shore up their NWO-controlled feudal oligarchy. No truth to their public offer, either, just cheap speeches. I was willing, but they, both the hard ritviks and the GBC inc. want to continue to hate everyone who does not tow their line. All I can do is present my experience so people can see and learn. So don't say that I haven't been trying to get these stones to give up their hard-hearted blind sectarianism ! AGTSP.
Yes, Prabhu ji. Thats all they have left for us, simple devotees : Present our experience, so people can see anD learn , all this of course, after tryng to ruin our lives and thousands of Srila Prabhupada sincere followers.Like we say in Spain: " Dos caras de la misma moneda ", or something like ( Two faces of the same coin) .Still there is so many people who want to be cheated and they find the perfect cheaters. Vrndavane viharator iha - O, when will that time come ?. O my dear Radhika devi, You are very merciful, so please be merciful to me.Please sprinkel Your mercy upon me, and let me do service to our divine spiritual master, Your eternal associate, in the company of pure and simple devotees.HARE KRISHNA. SRILA PRABHUPADA KI JAY.
Our good friend Sri Yamuna dasa advises us to surrender to the divine service of Srimati Radharani. Any other advice is inadequate and useless. So, he is advising us to take the shelter of Godhead, and we shall be rightly situated and protected. We are now begging that shelter.
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Anyway, lets try for that Rhinoceros.
If we all put Srila Prabhupada and his mission at the very center, never mind anything else, then all these divisions just dissolve. Then it is just a question of whether we are serving and developing true devotion. As Sri Yamuna Prabhu points out, are we disrtibuting the Holy Names and glorifying Srila Prabhupada and the devotees? If not, we had better be chanting lots of good rounds, because show bottle is cheap.
In that same spirit, I suggest we come together now, because the enemies are at the walls, and many of them are us.
devastation, anger, HORROR, etc. They are unavailable even in Goloka, so they are treasures. There is a unique devotional relish there. Its existence may be a mystical reason for the way Iskcon has been corrupted and the devotees scattered like a worldwide Yadu diaspora. That, plus the real Iskcon, like the Holy Spirit, has burst its vessel, and now encompasses the whole world on a spiritual platform. thus, our institution iskcon is but a fraction of the sanga.Real forgiveness happens after attempts are made by the offender to rectify. The unqualified and Guru-Business Corporation continue to occupy positions of unauthorized power, thus skirting the whole disciplic succession from Srila Prabhupada, and have still really and physically and here and now around the planet, kicked ninety-five percent of their Godbrothers, pure devotees and saints and wives of the Lord. out of their father's house. First, fix that, then it can be improved for GBC-iskcon, from there.
BY: ACARYAVILASA DASA
Jan 04, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA (SUN) — The recent Sun posting of Prahladananda Swami's article, entitled "Duties of GBC and Guru in ISKCON", is more revealing of ISKCON's problems than he may realize.
Srila Prabhupada created ISKCON to practice and propagate the hearing and chanting of the glories of Sri Sri Radha Krsna, following the teaching of Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Our GBC will agree, however, their mistake is their emphasis on centralizing and bureaucracy and meetings, and more meetings, as a means to that end. Our GBCs are not famous for hearing and chanting, rather they are famous for meetings and meetings and more meetings.
To hear and chant does not require previous discussion or planning. One has to simply get the kartals out and start immediately. This is the movement of Sri Caitanya; it is the sankirtana movement, not the meeting movement.
If our big GBCs et al. went around the globe going from one sankirtana party to another, rather than one meeting to another, would not ISKCON be in a healthier spiritual state? Would not the apparent obsession of Prahladananda, i.e. the authority of the GBC, be enhanced?
What Prahladananda reveals in his article is the inverted GBC obsession with protocols and management. Without a touch of embarrassment, convinced of his own views, he frankly bores us with a jumble of questionable and sastrically incorrect management gobbledygook – all in the name of Srila Prabhupada, of course.
It is this management gobbledygook constantly churned out by the GBC that is destroying the GBC and making them largely irrelevant to the ISKCON Vaisnava community, who are not inspired by this, but rather bored. But Prahladananda cannot understand this and just walks down the same old rut with his ponderous, uninspiring essay. He and his mentality are more the problem than the solution.
His mentality has given us the threatening "ISKCON Law Book". His mentality has given us the bogus GBC rubber-stamped guru. His mentality has given us the concocted five-year sannyasa waiting list. His mentality has given us the badly edited books of Srila Prabhupada. And his mentality has made the GBC largely irrelevant. In short, that mentality only requires two words: "We Rule!" The GBC and stringers consider themselves the "Rulers of ISKCON". And so, like Prahladananda, they love coming up with more "rules" for us all to follow. Rules about ISKCON and gurus, rules about GBCs and ISKCON, rules about GBCs and gurus, rules about waiting lists, etc, etc.
They discuss these rules for hours and then present them to us as if we're all a bunch of untrustworthy serfs in their fiefdom. We are all ignorant and in need of their guidance. None of us have any idea about what Srila Prabhupada wanted or said, so we had better be kept in line – in a state of dependency under threat of their rules.
Now with all those concocted rules coming at them, is it any wonder no one's interested in the GBC? Who is going to be spiritually inspired by some self-righteous heavy with the ISKCON Rule Book in hand? Are souls coming to Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON so the GBC can wave their ISKCON Law Book at them? Is that the greeting we should give – "Here's the rules!"
Souls followed Srila Prabhupada because he inspired them. They felt safe and appreciated, loved transcendentally. Now if the GBC and stringers want to be genuine representatives of Srila Prabhupada, that is how they should approach the ISKCON Vaisnava community. And if the GBC are not inspiring, then how can they claim to be representatives of Srila Prabhupada?
Just saying, "we are the GBC" does not automatically make them the representatives of Srila Prabhupada. Nor does saying "We are the GBC" automatically make them "authorities".
The GBC's authority is now based on threat; the threat that the GBC will "throw you out of ISKCON". And the quickest way to get "thrown out" is to quote Srila Prabhupada and question GBC policies on that basis. Rubber-stamped gurus and sannyasis, salary men running the temples, selling of seminars, GBC centralizing and bureaucracy – bring up anything like that and the GBC will give you the big jackboot. After all, they consider that ISKCON is their territory and they are the top dogs, literally.
So Prahladananda, yes we see the problem. You have made it obvious: you and your GBC prefer your mental speculation to Guru, Sadhu and Sastra. You think that the ISKCON Law Book is better that the Nectar of Devotion. You think that you can ‘meet' your way back to Godhead.
You only try to rule, not inspire; that is why the GBC is seen as irrelevant.
And quite rightly so.
So I called them on their recent words of offered cooperation, and suggested that I agreed, we should give up our differences and cooperate. But as usual, it was all bluff and words and no reality with them. They are for cooperation alright, but only with godbrothers who agree with them on everything ! Like immature control freaks, same as are also on the other side of the fence. both the same , yet diferent. Meanwhile, despite Bhakti Ccaru Swami's big big words of reconciliation, there has been no movement in that direction, whatsoever, that Ii have seen. Instead, they are pushing harsh illegal moves to centralize authority in the hands of the royalty, to further shore up their NWO-controlled feudal oligarchy. No truth to their public offer, either, just cheap speeches. I was willing, but they, both the hard ritviks and the GBC inc. want to continue to hate everyone who does not tow their line. All I can do is present my experience so people can see and learn. So don't say that I haven't been trying to get these stones to give up their hard-hearted blind sectarianism ! AGTSP.