Posted August 5, 2010 — “I remember vividly holding the DOM document in my hands around 1976.The Ritvic document I saw a year later around the time of Prabhupad’s forced departure.
I was lucky to read also Prabhupad’s wish to have all temples self sufficient and self managed in a democratic way. We were helpless about the take over, so was Prabhupad.The DOM, and the other instructions of Prabhupad were known to us, gave us great hope in developing the New Mayapur farm community.
Few days after Prabhupad left, my dear friend Pritu Putra Maharaja (I am sure your good husband new him well) met me in the South of France. The town of Aix — En-Provence.
He just came from Vrindavan, to tell me that the dream is over. He told me who poisoned Prabhupad, and who only wished to kill him, but did not participate in the act. They all went to the carpenter he said, and they are building their big chairs…..so said Pritu Prabhu. He was FINISHED. GONE MAD, and soon left with Malati for a different life style.
Within 3.5 years, new mayapur turned to a concentration camp. I am telling all this as a call for Height Tec Democracy. A democracy of devotees that it would be virtually impossible to corrupt. In order to accomplish this wonder of wonders we need LAXMI. I am ready to be the first one to give my credit card number and, let say 1% of my monthly income to the one who will establish such a TRUST. Radhe Radhe”.
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their duty is to follow his wishes and they did not do so.
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Bhakticharu: He said pathological point of view there is nothing wrong.
Kaviraja: General condition is now good.
Bhakticharu: His condition, the heartbeat is perfect...
Tamal Krishna: So what is wrong?
Bhakticharu: Blood pressure is perfect.
Tamal Krishna: It is a spiritual...
So this is an interesting section. The kaviraja is saying that the heartbeat is good,
pulse is good, physiological condition is good. So what is wrong? What is possibly wrong
with Srila Prabhupada? In other words, from ordinary circumstances he should be healthy,
but he's not. He's very ill. What could possibly be the problem here? So Tamal Krishna
comes up with this very strange explanation at this point: "It's a spiritual thing."
Prabhupada, the spiritual master of the Hare Krishna Movement, Tamal's master, has a
spiritual problem. Yes, how can this be? How can a person who is fully Krishna conscious,
100 percent Krishna conscious, who wrote 70 books about Krishna consciousness, has put
himself in the World Book of Records for writing more books than anybody in a short
period of time in the history of writing, he's the world's most prolific author on
spiritual topics and yet he's having "a spiritual problem"? No. Tamal is having a
problem. He's having a problem understanding what's going on here, the dynamic that's
going on here - either that, or perhaps he's covering something up. "Oh, yeah, it's a
spiritual problem." No, he's being poisoned. This is not a spiritual problem. He doesn't
have a general health problem. So we'll see later that Prabhupada says, "Even ten
medicines couldn't save me." In other words, it's not a medical problem, it's not a
spiritual problem. The problem is: someone is giving him poison.
Bhakticharu: ...when the Saturn looks away from him and he...
Tamal Krishna: But what did Prabhupada just say?
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Bhakticharu: No, when he said that pathological...
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Bhakticharu: He said how can you define it, how can you explain it?
Tamal Krishna: What did Srila Prabhupada say?
Bhakticharu: Like the condition couldn't have improved by ten medicines also, but with
one medicine it become perfect.
Tamal Krishna: What did Prabhupada just say?
Bhakticharu: Prabhupada just said that, I mean, this morning his condition was bad, not
now.
Bhavananda: But Prabhupada was complaining of mental distress this morning also.
Bhakticharu: Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Hm?
Bhakticharu: Ota ki byapar hoyechilo, mental distress? [What was that all about, mental
distress?]
Srila Prabhupada: Hm, hm.
Kaviraja: Boliye, boliye. [Go ahead, say it.]
Srila Prabhupada: Vohi baat hai, koi hamko poison diya. [Same thing, someone administered
me poison.]
Bhakticharu: Oh, accha.
So it almost seems like the kaviraja, the doctor, is trying to pry out of Prabhupada,
"What's really wrong with you? Bole, bole, please tell us. You're experiencing mental
distress. We can't really figure out what's wrong with you from a physiological point of
view, pathological point of view. But you're mentally distressed, so you must know
something about your condition that we don't know. So what is that? Please tell us." So
Prabhupada finally just says, "OK, I'm being poisoned. That's the problem. That's the
cause of my mental distress."
Srila Prabhupada: Vohi baat hai, koi hamko poison diya. [Same thing, someone administered
me poison.]
Bhakticharu: Oh, accha. (?)
Bhavananda: Hm?
Kaviraja: Dekhiya bat ye hai, ki, ho sakta hai kisi rakshash ne diya ho. [Look, this is
the thing, that maybe some rakshasa gave him poison.]
Bhakticharu: He's saying that someone gave him poison.
[2003 Update: Rather oddly the GBC and their IRM advocates says that there is no reason
for Srila Prabhupada to be experiencing mental distress, rather he is complaining about,
nothing? Apart from everything else, most devotees say they are heartless for saying
this. We think it is because they are likely in sympathy with the poisoner clique. "Our
guru is experiencing mental distress from being poisoned, who cares" says the GBC and the
IRM? We do not want our dear pals on the GBC to have any mental distress from being
exposed in this plot? Jesus was crucified, who cares, we do not want Judas and Pontius
Pilate to be implicated?]
POISON TAPE TRANSCRIPT Pt.2
...So I know that that area is a little confusing, but if you listen very carefully
you'll hear Bhakticharu, who is now currently Bhakticharu Swami, one of the ISKCON gurus
by the way, he is translating what Prabhupada had just said, "someone gave him poison
here. Someone gave him poison here." This is not, "Oh, he has a liver problem which is
causing poison." No. Someone, a person, an individual, has tried to get rid of Srila
Prabhupada. That's what he says.
Of course, Bhakticharu, at this point, for 20 years he's been silent on this issue. So
this is a major problem that we're having right now. Here is one of the key witnesses,
he's there, he's one of the few people who understands Hindi and Bengali and English, and
yet instead of saying at the time, "Whoa, let's hold on a minute, folks. Srila Prabhupada
just said that he is being poisoned by someone. Let's make a big investigation."
He could have gone out and recruited many devotees to help him. He didn't say a word,
though, to the rank and file devotees. He did not try to recruit any help here. So this
is very strange, and we're not sure legally even how this works. If you know someone says
"I'm being killed" and you're just not helping that person, not demanding help and
investigating the cause of this person being killed, are you implicated legally? I'm not
sure, according to different laws. We're studying this issue right now.
Kaviraja: Dekhiya bat ye hai, ki, ho sakta hai kisi rakshash ne diya ho. [Look, this is
the thing, that maybe some rakshasa gave him poison.]
[2003 Update: Again, that idea that some "rakshasa" (a demoniac person) is consciously
and purposefully administering poison to Srila Prabhupada is repeated. Again, the GBC
keeps saying that this was a complaint about a bad liver, but this is clearly not the
case. The complaint has to do with the "demoniac" intent of persons giving poison to
Srila Prabhupada.]
Bhakticharu: He's saying that someone gave him poison.
[2003 Update: Again notice, "He (Srila Prabhupada) is saying that someone gave him
poison." So this was how the conversation is going, he is being poisoned, and it is
intentional, and it is being administered by "someone." Oddly, Adridharana dasa of
Calcutta, one of the people in the room at the time of the poison complaint, he has
subsequently tried to agree with the GBC that this above conversation is not a poison
complaint. He says that the people in the room were misunderstanding the complaint, since
there really was none? Yet, if he was in the room at the time, and he understood Hindi
and Bengali, why did he not clarify this "misunderstanding" at the time? And why didn't
he clarify it later on but he remained silent for 20 years, until we brought it up?
Clearly from the audio tape, everyone else in the room is agreeing: "someone gave him
poison." And yet Adridharana says he was in the room too, and he was the only one
thinking, this complaint is non-existing? Why did he not speak up at the time then? Why
did he not come out of the room and notify the other devotees: the people in Srila
Prabhupada's room are "making up" a poison complaint, as he now says is what occured? No,
there was a poison complaint, and he knew there was one, and now he is trying to "get
himself off the hook" of guilt by omission. He should have acted to do something about
this complaint.]
Kaviraja: Caru Swami?
Bhakticharu: Yes?
Kaviraja: Kisi rakshash ne diya ho ye ho sakta hai, impossible nahin hai. Vo...
Sankaracarya the, unko kisine poison diya, che mahine tak badi taklif paaye. [It is
possible that some demon has given it. It is not impossible. Just like Sankaracarya was
poisoned over six months with broken glass.]
[2003 update: One of our devotee associates was once eating at a GBC managed restaurant.
One of the devotee workers at the restaurant told him to wait, they had some "special
food" for him to eat in the back room. Then they brought out a plate of food from behind
the kitchen door. He ate it but it tasted "crunchy." The next day, when he passed stool,
blood came out. He felt through his stools and, there was finely ground broken glass in
it. That means that some of the GBC and their followers were well versed in the
techniques of poison and feeding people ground up broken glass and so on. They studied
these processes, and since they would use these techniques against Srila Prabhupada, they
would use it against some of us.]
- So in this next little section, the kaviraja, the doctor, is saying "impossible nahin,"
which means "It's not at all impossible that Prabhupada is being given poison because a
guru in the Sankara line had been killed by being given broken glass slowly over a
six-month period." Someone was putting broken glass into his guru's food preparations in
order to kill him. So the kaviraja is saying, "It's not at all impossible that someone
also is trying to kill Prabhupada because he's also a guru just like this Sankara guru
was." All of this begs the question, why was the killing and poisoning of gurus being
discussed a few days before Srila Prabhupada departed, and just after he complained of
being poisoned? The malefic administering of poison and broken glass to grurus is being
discussed, and the kaviraja says, "this is also what seems to have happened to Srila
Prabhupada."
Kaviraja: Abhi bhi ye pakadta hai ki kidney kharab ho gaya hai. Kisi karan se, cahe
bimari se ho, cahe graha se ho, cahe poison se. No matter what reason his kidneys are
bad, whether from disease, planetary positions or poison, my medicine will counteract
it.]
Tamal Krishna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him? Bhakticharu: Yes.
[2003 Update: Rather oddly, again, Adridharana (one of the people in the room when the
poison complaint was made) first said in 1997 he agreed with us that there was a grevious
poison complaint. Then later, he basically reversed that and said there was no poison
complaint, and he joined forces with the GBC and defended them and advertised the GBC's
web site. And thus, when we first posted this story and it was read by Adridharana dasa,
he went into a complete rage. He said that we were "blaming" him for being a murderer and
for poisoning Srila Prabhupada. So this is very odd is it not? He was saying we are
right: there is a complaint. He even said he wanted to help us investigate the matter,
then he became very much angry, aggressive and attacking us saying: we were fingering him
as one of the murderers?
And then he began to side with the main suspects like Tamal Krishna in opposing us on
this complaint. Yet, why would he go into a rage and support the main suspects if his
hands were totally clean? This looks even more suspicious? We never said he murdered
anyone and yet his party said we had called him "a murderer"? Why the rage? Why the
misrepresentation? Why the lack of helping the investigation? So this means there were
people in the room who knew of the complaint, and they were thinking it was never going
to surface. And as soon as it did, they were trying to look surprised and helpful but
later their real feelings came out, they were totally enraged that "their little secret"
was going public.
Also, why would Adridharana later on say, Srila Prabhupada was not thinking he was being
poisoned, when everyone else in the room was confirming he was saying: he was thinking he
was being poisoned? Why would Adridharana countermand Srila Prabhupada's statements and
try to blame us for linking him to -- murder? And why would he try to change the whole
story of what occurred here, first seeming to help us and then supporting and defending
the main suspects? And if everyone else in the room was, as Adridharana tries to imply,
"making up some insane story about poison just to taunt and torture Srila Prabhupada for
no reason," as Adridharana de facto says is what occurred, then, why did he not stop that
from going on at the time? Why did he sit back and allow these people to torture Srila
Prabhupada with a so-called "made up" story, as he implies is what occurred, when he was
right there and he could have said something to stop it? So once again, the testimony of
some of the people in the room: does not add up at all? And their subsequent blatant
anger and rage makes it look all the more like, there is a cover up afoot? And it seems
they are merely angry that the covers have been ripped off their carefully hidden twenty
years of secrecy, secret GBC meetings, contrived cover ups, and perhaps longer, maybe
thirty or more years of cover up? In any case the above two sentences alone totally
defeat these cover up folks, "Srila Prabhupada was thinking someone had poisoned him?"
and the answer is, "yes."]
Tamal Krishna: That was the mental distress?
Bhakticharu: Yes.
[2003 Update: Again, the reason Srila Prabhupada is feeling mental distress is that he
thinks someone is giving him poison. The GBC and Adridharana try to say that there was no
bona fide reason for his mental distress, de facto, they imply Srila Prabhupada was
losing his mind. No, he was catching on to the poison plot, and this was causing him to
be distressed. On the background "whispers portion" of these tapes Srila Prabhupada hears
them saying they are giving poison and he says, "to me"? So he understood they were
"giving poison" and he further understood: it was being given "to him." Testimony from
Naranarayan dasa is that he heard Tamal say a few years before 1977, "Srila Prabhupada is
a senile old man." Thus it seems that some of the leaders were setting up this poison
plan, and if Srila Prabhupada caught on to their plot, then they could say that Srila
Prabhupada is a senile old man, he does not know what he is saying.]
Kaviraja: Ye bolte hai to isme kuch na kuch satya rai hai, koi sandeh nahi. [If he says
that, there must be some truth to it. There's no doubt.]
[2003 Update: This is very odd, the doctor says at the time that if Srila Prabhupada says
he is being poisoned, it must be true. Yet some of Srila Prabhupada's "big disciples" are
still doubting?]
- Tamal Krishna: What did Kaviraja just say?
Bhakticharu: He said that when Srila Prabhupada is saying that, there must be something
truth behind it.
Tamal Krishna: Tssh.
So here we have Tamal Krishna Swami stating that Srila Prabhupada thought someone was
poisoning him, and this was confirmed by two different devotees and also the doctor. The
doctor said, "If Prabhupada said he's being poisoned, it must be true." So everyone
present has understood and has agreed that Prabhupada is stating that someone is giving
him poison at this point. One interesting thing is that Tamal Krishna Goswami wrote a
book about Prabhupada's final days and in that book he does not mention one word about
this episode where Prabhupada said he is being poisoned, neither has this episode been
mentioned in any other official publications by the Governing Body Commission members.
They've written many, many books about Prabhupada, his life and his pastimes and so many
things, and this particular issue somehow or other never gets mentioned.
[2003 Update: After we originally publicly challenged the GBC over the poison issue in
1997, Tamal then published his diary "to counter the poison investigation." He at least
admitted that Srila Prabhupada did make a poison complaint, he could not deny it, BECAUSE
this was STATED on the tape, but he still gives us no good explanation why Srila
Prabhupada had made that complaint, and why was the complaint hidden and suppressed and
so on?]
- So very unfortunately, those of us who have had our lives threatened by the Governing
Body Commission members are the persons who time and time again have to investigate
various important issues and various important statements given by Srila Prabhupada, and
this is simply another instance where the Governing Body Commission has covered up an
instruction or an important statement from Srila Prabhupada and suppressed it. In any
event, it's now very clear that Prabhupada is saying "I'm being poisoned," and this was
the understanding that the people around him at the time also got from that statement. It
was verified by the eye witnesses present at the time.
Tamal Krishna: What did Kaviraja just say?
Bhakticharu: He said that when Srila Prabhupada is saying that, there must be something
truth behind it.
Tamal Krishna: Tssh.
Jayapataka: What did he say about Sankaracarya?
Bhakticharu: That someone gave him some poison like, you know, the powdered glass they
put in his food.
Kaviraja: (Hindi) [(Somewhat unclear) He appears to be saying that he will give Srila
Prabhupada certain medicine to be taken with pan, cold water or milk and results will be
seen in the morning.]
Tamal Krishna: Srila Prabhupada, Sastriji says that there must be some truth to it if you
say that. So who is it that has poisoned?
This is the voice of Tamal Krishna Goswami asking Srila Prabhupada, "Who is it that has
poisoned you?" Now at this point in time, this is 20 years later, this is 20 years after
this tape was made (this is 1997, this tape was made in 1977), many of the Governing Body
Commission members are now trying to say that Prabhupada was referring to his general
health, he said he was being poisoned because of a kidney failure and so on and so forth;
but that's not how the conversation was going. Right here Tamal Krishna is saying, "Who
is it that has poisoned you?" "Who" refers to a person. Someone is poisoning him. It is
not a general health condition. So we just wanted to make this very clear because, as is
often the case, the Governing Body Commission members try to twist and distort and change
the emphasis or the wording, or they lose tapes or they hide tapes; and in fact, if we
hadn't brought this tape forward, no one would have done it – no one from their side
definitely. So anyway, somehow or other, Prabhupada is thinking someone has poisoned him.
Tamal Krishna asks, "Who is poisoning you?" and Prabhupada does not answer the question
at this time.
Kaviraja: Sabse bara poison je hota hai, vah mercury ha hota hai. [The most dangerous
poison that exists is that of mercury.]
Bhakticharu: Voh to gaya tah unka... voh jo... [Which was given to him]
Kaviraja: Nahi nahi, ye jo Swarupa Guha ka aap parde the na swamiji... Kalkatte me? [No,
no. Swamiji, did you read about Svarupa Guha? In Calcutta.]
Srila Prabhupada: Hmm.
Kaviraja: Rupa Guha.
Bhakticharu: Unko malum nahi. Unko nahi pata. [He has not heard about it. He doesn't
know.]
Kaviraja: Us ke pati ne diya tha. [The husband poisoned the wife.]
Bhakticharu: Accha.
Kaviraja: Uska koi medicine nahin ata. Itne dose de diya jisko ham raskapoor bolta hai.
[He gave her a dose of a poison called raskapoor, for which there is no medicine.]
Bhakticharu: Yehi... Mercury to isme tha, makharadhvaj me. [Right. Mercury was in there,
in the makharadhvaj.]
Kaviraja: (?) mercury (?)
Bhavananda: Before that.
Kaviraja: Uska dusra (?).
So a discussion seems to be unfolding here about mercury, the word mercury, which is a
poison. It's interesting that Prabhupada had requested the medicine "makharadhvaja," and
some of his leaders gave him what they said was makharadhvaja. Prabhupada himself then
identified that this is -- not -- makharadhvaja, but some of the leaders go on insisting
"This is makharadhvaja and you should continue to take it, Srila Prabhupada." So this
will be analyzed a little further in the tape where a type of medicine was given to
Prabhupada which he said was not helping him, it was making him more sick and it was not
makharadhvaja, and various leaders around him go on insisting it is makharadhvaja and
insisting that he should take some more of it.
Kaviraja: (?)
Bhavananda: What did he say?
Bhakticharu: He said that it is quite possible that mercury, it's a kind of a poison...
Tamal Krishna: That makharadhvaja.
Kaviraja: Raskapoor.
[2003 Update: Notice that the doctor is trying to correct people here, there is a bona
fide medicine called makharadhvaja, but that is not going to make a person sick. Rather
what we should be discussing now is poison, maybe Raskapoor, which apparently contains
mercuruy.]
Bhakticharu: Raskapoor.
Kaviraja: Amiras. (?) tate poison ache. It a very poison.
Bhakticharu: Makharadhvaja (?).
Bhavananda: What was he taking, Prabhupada, before that?
Kaviraja: Makharadhvaja to amrit hota hai. In ke liye bhi suitable hota hai (?).
Bhavananda: What medicine was he taking before that?
Bhakticharu: (?)
Kaviraja: Kuch nahin (?).
Bhakticharu: So he was referring to a case, a big murder case in Calcutta. The husband
poisoned his wife, yeah.
Bhavananda: Oh, Guha.
Kaviraja: Swarupa...
So at this point, the conversation focuses on a murder case, the husband poisoned the
wife. So if we were discussing a problem with Prabhupada's liver or some general health
condition, why would we be discussing a murder by poison case? So the word "murder" is
brought up, and a famous case supposedly that took place in Calcutta. I don't know the
details of this case but a famous lawyer murdered his wife by poison, and so this is
being brought up in the context of Prabhupada complaining about his being poisoned. So
why is the discussion now moving on and focusing on a murder? So in my view, it seems
pretty clear that the conversation is just escalating up and up to the point where it's
coming out more and more that Prabhupada, what he's really trying to say is that "Someone
is murdering me here. That's what's really going on."
Kaviraja: Kuch nahin (?)
Bhakticharu: So he was referring to a case, a big murder case in Calcutta. The husband
poisoned his wife, yeah.
Bhavananda: Oh, Guha.
Kaviraja: Swarupa Guha (Hindi)
Bhakticharu: Yes, Sankar Das Banerjee was.
Bhavananda: Our lawyer is the... (laughs)
So this is a very strange section. It turns out they're talking about murder, and
Bhavananda starts laughing. It sounds like you can hear some wheezing type of laughter in
the background here. "Oh, yeah, our lawyer is the..." ha, ha, ha. Very funny, very funny
thing, isn't it? Yes, Srila Prabhupada is being killed here and it's a very funny joke to
some of these people. So you can see why Srila Prabhupada is talking in Hindi to a very
select couple of people that he might trust or that he thinks might get the story out or
they might be able to help him get out of there, or who knows what. He obviously cannot
really trust these Western people because you can see what happens. He says, "I'm being
killed here, I'm being poisoned here." There's a murder by poison case being discussed
here, and they react by laughing, by thinking it's some kind of a joke. "Oh, yeah, very
funny. Prabhupada thinks he's being poisoned. Isn't that hysterical?" So in other words,
they are either thinking he's lost his mind and he doesn't really know what he's talking
about, he's an old man, he doesn't know what's going on, he's not aware of what he's
doing – that's one way of looking at it – or they're very aware of what he's saying and
they're very aware that he's catching up to what's going on around here, and their way of
dealing with it is to try to make some kind of a joke and shuffle it off because
otherwise the whole thing, if there is a plot or conspiracy to get rid of Prabhupada,
it's being exposed right now. So now you've got to change the subject, laugh, and move on
to another topic, which is what happens.
They try to change the subject, move on to another topic, and basically cover up, forget,
hide, and eliminate this whole discussion as if it did not take place. So there are
various motives possible for doing that. But it's very ironic also that in 1997, 20 years
later, myself and my associate went out with a sign at Rathayatra, which is a big public
festival for the Hare Krishna Movement, and we had a sign with a picture of Prabhupada
with his statement, "I am being poisoned." And the reaction of the Governing Body
members, maybe 20, 30 of them, they all started laughing hysterically. "Ha, ha, ha,
Prabhupada was poisoned, ha, ha, ha!"
So one of the reasons for this type of reaction – laughter or, in other words, make light
of the statement, don't take it seriously, this is not a serious statement from Srila
Prabhupada, "I am being poisoned," it's something that we can just joke about and push it
under the carpet and it will go away eventually if we just ignore it and laugh at it and
so on and so forth. Of course, why would people laugh at a statement like this? Their own
master says he is being killed, but it's a joke. Why is it a joke? Because as soon as we
have to investigate why did Prabhupada say "I am being poisoned," then we have a problem.
[2003 Update: An eye witness in 1977 said he saw some of these GBC leaders laughing and
joking outside of Srila Prabhupada's room around the same time he complained of being
poisoned. The eye witness went in to the room and privately notified Srila Prabhupada
that this was going on and that it was very alarming and it could even be very dangerous.
Srila Prabhupada was reported to have said, "They have no respect for me."]
- Some of the people who said that they were also appointed as his "successors" are some
of the prime candidates for questioning about this poison issue. So the so-called
successors issue is related to the poisoning issue directly. The people who were there
when Prabhupada said "I am being poisoned" then claimed to be his successors; and as a
result of that, they appointed more successors. There's now 150 persons who are appointed
as successors. So to investigate a part of the issue of what Prabhupada was saying in his
later days would bring out the broader issue of what else was he saying.
He was saying so many things. He was saying things about how the movement will go on in
the future after he departed, and so on and so forth. So this is why at the time the
investigation was suppressed and it has been suppressed for 20 years, because people have
made literally millions, in fact someone would say billions of dollars by covering up and
misinterpreting and changing and ignoring important statements from Srila Prabhupada.
The conversation shifts to the story of Prahlad Maharaja, who was a famous devotee of
Krishna. He was given poison also, and the poison did not affect him. So, therefore, the
kaviraja is saying that even if Prabhupada is being poisoned, it would not affect him. Of
course, there's many different stories and examples of the lives of pure devotees. For
example, Prabhupada said that Jesus was killed. He says, "My Guru Maharaja was killed."
And, of course, in the Battle of Kurukshetra, people from both sides were killed
obviously and many of them were great devotees of Krishna. Krishna's son was killed, and
so on and so forth. So there may be some instances where a great devotee will not be
killed under certain circumstances, and there may be other circumstances where a great
devotee will be killed or will be allowed to be killed according to Krishna's desire.
It's not a blanket, uniform thing. Unfortunately, some devotees have talked to me about
this and they say, "Well, in every single case, Krishna protects His devotee from the
hands of demons and they cannot be killed." So right away I say, "Well, why then did
Prabhupada say that Jesus was a pure devotee and he was also killed?" So they have no
explanation. In other words, in Krishna consciousness we have to understand that
different things happen to different devotees at different times. It's not one blanket,
uniform thing that happens to every single devotee every single time. So the other thing
is about Prabhupada's own guru.
He says, "My Guru Maharaja was poisoned," but oftentimes he says, "My Guru Maharaja left
in disgust." So the real reason Bhaktisiddhanta left the planet, although he was being
poisoned, was not by the poison per se but because he was disgusted that he had some big
followers who were trying to kill him. So he was just disgusted. He said, "These people
want my property, they want my money, they want to take over my worship. So I'm going to
leave and let them take it over." So leaving in disgust is the cause of Prabhupada's
departure from the description he gave of his own Guru Maharaja in similar circumstances.
Yes, he could have defended himself, he could have done so many things to try to overturn
the plot to poison him, but instead he just decided, "Well, I'm being poisoned and what
is the use? I came to America to try to give people Krishna consciousness and the result
is that some of them are killing me. So better that I just depart now and go back to
Krishna. What's the problem here?" So that's also the lila or activity of great devotees
at certain times.
So at this point in the tape, I do have quite a few of the tapes from October and
November, 1977, and I could actually find a lot of these quotes and have Prabhupada
speaking directly. Instead I'm going to just read them in my own voice from the
Conversations books which were produced by the Bhaktivedanta Archives, along with some
commentary from myself. I just don't have the time or a secretary or anything to deal
with all this stuff right now. But I think that many of these quotes are important
because they show some of the underlying psychology of how Prabhupada could have been
poisoned or how he indicated that some of his leaders might take some action against him
or try to overtake him and overtake his position and take the assets of his movement.
A very famous story Prabhupada gave often was the yogi and the mouse. The yogi, he was
sitting in meditation, a mouse came up and said, "A cat is chasing me, please make me
into a cat." So the yogi snapped his fingers, "OK, you're a cat." Then the cat comes back
and he says, "A dog is chasing me." So the yogi snaps his fingers and says, "OK, now
you're a dog." The dog comes back and says, "Now a tiger is chasing me." So the yogi, he
snaps his fingers and says, "OK, now you're a tiger." The former mouse is now a tiger. So
the tiger starts licking his chops and says, "Oh, Mr. Yogi, you look like a nice meal for
me." So now the mouse is about ready to jump on the yogi and eat him up. So the yogi
snaps his fingers and says, "OK, again become mouse." Punar mushika bhava. This is a
story that Prabhupada related many, many times. "Be very careful. Your guru is giving you
information, he's helping you. But if you try to misuse that information or use that
information against your guru," then bang, he snaps his fingers and again you revert back
to your old position.
Thanks!
and he says, "I do not know, but it is said." So in other words, it's a fact, it's a
fact. So "who" has said it, Prabhupada is somewhat reluctant to say perhaps here, but "It
is said, it's a fact, I am being poisoned."
[2003 Update: If Tamal was one of those suspected by Srila Prabhupada in the poison plot,
Prabhupada is not going to say, "I do know there is a conspiracy to poison me, and you
Mr. Tamal, are part of it." So he rather diverts the issue by saying, "I do not know who
is saying that 'I am being poisoned,' but it is being said by someone." He is being
intentionally vague apparently to throw off the persons whom he suspects. Srila
Prabhupada is just mildly pushing out the issue indirectly to see if there is some way to
either get out of the situation or at least, to expose it. So "I do not know who says I
am being poisoned, but it is said." This is also going to put Tamal on the defensive,
"who" is saying this? He does not know? So that means Tamal has to maybe be careful, the
story is perhaps getting out. So this was also a means for Srila Prabhupada to perhaps
protect himself, "watch out, someone is talking about my being poisoned, maybe your party
will be found out." This also could have been a defensive tactic on Srila Prabhupada's
part.
Again this is also perhaps to test how Tamal and others will respond. Another thing is
that the critics of Srila Prabhupada's poison case, such as the GBC, Adridharana,
Yaduraja of the IRM et al., they have failed to identify who these "friends" are, those
who are speaking of his poisoning, in all these years? Nor have they even tried to get
their own forensics done, nor have they studied the whispers we have had analyzed
according to their spokesman? They seem to want to make the impression that Srila
Prabhupada was getting old, maybe his mind was slipping, maybe he was hearing voices?
They simply say more or less that "no one" was talking about his poisoning, he was making
it up, maybe he was mentally unsound, that is their sort of complaint against Srila
Prabhupada. No, there are solid forensic evidences that the people in the room in Srila
Prabhupada's presence were in fact discussing poisoning him, his so-called "friends."
Again, as of this point, no counter audio forensics has been forwarded by the GBC or
their IRM counterparts. Meanwhile several more audio labs have confirmed that the
whispers of the conspirator "friends" do in fact exist. "It is said that I am being
poisoned," and this was in fact being said. And this has been verified by audio forensics
labs: it is being said that he is being poisoned by his leaders, his "friends."
Worse, the GBC and the IRM forwarded a false audio forensics "expert" to counteract us,
but their "expert" has subsequently admitted in public that he has no audio forensic
credentials. In sum the GBC and the IRM tried to bluff their way out of the poison
complaint and they tried to paint Srila Prabhupada as incoherent, incompetent, and they
tried make a huge joke and circus out of the poison complaint of Srila Prabhupada with
their bogus counter forensics and other falsity. This has backfired on them badly. Worse,
the GBC tried to start a web site to counteract the poison complaint and this was also
subsequently endorsed by the IRM, and now that web site has disappeared, being
discredited, and in addition the main leaders of that site's GBC are being sued for
starting a mass homosexual pedophile molesting regime.]
- Then he says jyoti jnana. "The jyoti knows," this is I think the way this would be
translated. So in Prabhupada's chart, his astrological chart or jyotish, it says "you
will live for six more years." This was read in August of 1977, his jyotish, just a few
months before he left his body. In his chart it said, "You will live for six more years
if you can live for the next six months. But watch out over the next six months, you will
have some danger from juniors and subordinates, meaning the leaders, the people around
you, they could be very dangerous." So Prabhupada makes a reference here to the jyotish,
and in the jyotish there's a warning about his leaders being a potential cause of his
death over the next six months.
[2003 Update: The Astrology chart of Srila Prabhupada indeed confirms that there is a
warning about his life being cut short due to some dangerous activities from some of his
"juniors and subordinates," his leaders. The chart says that he will live, but only
essentially if "the subordinates" do not kill him. Many people have studied this
statement in his chart, by today, and the consensus is that Srila Prabhupada is making a
reference above to his astrology chart predicting "danger from juniors and subordinates,"
i.e. that he could essentially be murdered by his "juniors and subordinates." And so he
says, "the chart knows" -- who is talking about poisoning me, since the chart says there
will be danger -- of being murdered -- from your juniors and subordinates. So now we have
the idea that some "friends" are talking about poisoning him, and his chart has a warning
about a plot to end his life, something like poison being used by his juniors against
him, by the same party of "friends."]
- Kaviraja: Yeh maharaj ji, ye kotha ap kaise bola aap ki... koi bola hai ki poison diya
hai. Ye ap ko kuch abhas hua hai kya? [So, Maharaj, what is this that you said about
someone telling you that you had been poisoned? Did you feel something?]
[2003 Update: The kaviraja was aware that Srila Prabhupada was saying that "someone" was
saying he was being poisoned, so this means that the eyewitnesses understood that he was
saying "someone says I am being poisoned." Again the GBC and IRM types have tried to say
that he was complaining about his liver or something like that, but no, there was the
idea that by malefic intent poison was being given.]
Srila Prabhupada: Nahin, aise koi bola je...debe-sa hi ja hota hai. Shayad koi kitab men
likha hai. [No, some people say like this, that ...it is like that when it (poison) is
given. Perhaps it is written in some book.]
[2003 Update: Srila Prabhupada says, (a) Some friends say I am being poisoned, (b) My
chart say beware that my juniors may use something to kill me, and now he says (c) That
he has the symptoms of a person who is being given poison. A number of Indian doctors
(kavirajas) confirm that he appeared like a person who had the symptoms of being
poisoned. So this is further confirmation, someone says I am being poisoned, my chart
says beware of juniors may be plotting to kill me, and now, moreover, I have the symptoms
of poisoning. Many experts subsequently agreed, he did have the symptoms of a person who
was being given poison.]
- Kaviraja: Kai karanon se ho jata hai, kacce mercury se ho jata hai, ya aur koi bhi ciz
aisha hai vaisha ho jata, lekin apke liye kaun karega ham to yahi samajhata hai. Aise
devpurush ke liye koi manasi vicar karega, vo bhi rakshas hai.
[It could be for a number of reasons, because of raw mercury and there are other things
which can have a similar effect. Who would do such a thing to you, I cannot understand.
Anyone who could even consider doing such a thing to a divine personality like yourself
is a rakshasa (demon).]
So this section is very significant. The word mercury is introduced. It is a poison,
severe poison that is used or could be used to kill somebody. So mercury and also the
word rakshasa, which means a demoniac individual. So if we connect these ideas together,
the speaker, who I think is the kaviraja, the doctor, is saying that someone is giving
him some poison like mercury and whoever is doing that is a demon, a rakshasa. So some
people have said that this tape or this conversation means that Prabhupada was saying "my
liver is bad" and "my liver is poisoning me" and so on. That is not at all what's being
said here. What is being said is that there are some demoniac forces here, some evil
force at work. It is not some physiological thing, it is not an accidental thing. It is
the work of a rakshasa or an individual who has made a design to try to eliminate the
pure devotee of the Lord, Srila Prabhupada. And this demoniac person is maybe
administering some metallic poison like mercury.
[2003 Update: So now we have, (a) Some friends say I am being poisoned (b) My astrology
chart says beware that my juniors may use something to kill me (c) I have the symptoms of
a person who is being given poison (d) The doctor says some "demon" may be giving him
mercury. The metallic poison has turned out to be arsenic, which was found in excessive
amounts in Srila Prabhupada's hair sample.]
- Tamal Krishna: Srila Prabhupada? You said before that you ...that it is said that you
were poisoned?
Srila Prabhupada: No. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned, he said
like that. Not that I am poisoned.
[2003 Update: This phrase, "not that I am poisoned," has been used by the GBC and their
defenders like Adridharana, Yaduraja and the IRM to make it seem like this is all a
contradiction: (1) He is saying he is being poisoned -- but (2) He is -- not -- saying
that? They try to establish that Srila Prabhupada is crazy or confused? No, he is saying
that he is being poisoned, and the doctor understands this and says a (rakshasa) demon is
giving the poison, but again while speaking to Tamal, Srila Prabhupada back pedals
because he does not want Tamal to know that he is aware that their party is giving him
poison. The GBC and IRM cannot understand that one may not always talk openly to one's
kidnapper or hijackers, so they rather try to say that Srila Prabhupada is speaking
gibberish -- apparently to defend the poison plotters. They also say that you have to
reveal your mind to your kidnappers or hijackers, so you will not be able to escape and
you will be killed faster? They are the ones not making sense?
Notice that Srila Prabhupada already totally deflected Tamal's first question, "who is
saying this," and now he is again deflecting Tamal's next question. Of course this begs
the bigger question, if he has "the symptoms of a person being poisoned," why didn't
Tamal try to have the situation analyzed and try to identify where the source of the
poison was? Why does Srila Prabhupada have "the symptoms" of a person who is being
poisoned anyway? Why was this not investigated? And since the doctor said that a demon
was maybe administering the poison, this shows that "a person or persons" were being
blamed for the poisoning. This was not investigated either? Notice that Srila Prabhupada
did not correct the doctor and say, "no, you are wrong, no one is giving me poison,"
rather he lets that statement stand, and maybe there is a demon who is giving me poison,
and maybe it is something like mercury. Only when the conversation flips back to Tamal
does Srila Prabhupada try to downplay it, and that is because we think: he suspects
Tamal.]
- Tamal Krishna: Did anyone tell you that, or you just know it from before?
Srila Prabhupada: I read something.
Tamal Krishna: Ah.
So this conversation is very significant. Srila Prabhupada is saying that he had the
physiological characteristics of a person who is being given poison, and we have had an
82-year-old doctor, an expert in Ayurvedic physician medicine, a practicing doctor, who
has given an analysis by looking at Prabhupada's videos, seeing how he looked
physiologically, and he said that Prabhupada had the physiological characteristics of a
person who is being given poison from this doctor's viewpoint. This doctor also pointed
out that in India poison is a little more commonly used than in the West. In the West, of
course, we use guns and knives and dispatch people as quickly as possible; but poison is
also used in the West sometimes, especially when you're trying to kill someone by subtle
background means or you don't want to make it conspicuous that you're trying to get rid
of someone. So poison is a more insidious form of trying to eliminate someone. So anyway,
Prabhupada said, "I look like someone who is being poisoned." And he says, "I read it
somewhere also. Someone said that." He doesn't say who that someone is, but also he read
it. In other words, Prabhupada was an expert in medicine and pharmaceutical products, he
was a salesman for pharmaceutical products. So he read somewhere perhaps that if a person
is being poisoned, this is how he would look or this is how his body would react. So
either way, he read it himself or someone told him or he had an intuition or Krishna told
him. Somehow or other he had the understanding that he looks like at least a person who
had been given poison, and he had the physiological characteristics of a person who had
been given poison.
- Tamal Krishna: I see. That's why actually we cannot allow anyone else to cook for you.
Srila Prabhupada: That is good.
[2003 Update: So it is clear, "someone" may be giving him poison, and therefore they have
to make sure no one suspicious is allowed to cook for him. It was thus clearly understood
that "someone" was near or in his presence who could be giving him poison, and therefore
precautions had to be made to try to halt that person or persons from having access to
his food and medicine. The problem here is that the people who had access to his food and
medicine are: the leaders. Notice also that Srila Prabhupada agrees, yes someone may be
giving me poison, so we have to make sure no one else has access to the food that I am
ingesting. Of interest, recent testimony is that one of Tamal's associates was seen
pouring a liquid over Srila Prabhupada's food just before giving it to him.]
- Tamal Krishna: Jayapataka Maharaj was telling that one acharya, Sankaracharya, of the
Sankaracharya line - this is a while ago - he was poisoned to death. Since that time,
none of the acharyas or the gurus of the Sankaracharya line will ever take any food
cooked except by their own men.
Srila Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaj (Srila Saraswati) also.
[2003 Update: Notice that some of the GBC leaders were in fact discussing the issue of
poisoning of gurus?]
- So in this section we find that it is known that sometimes great saintly persons are
attacked by someone trying to put poison into their food. Tamal Krishna points out that
"We've been very liberal letting people cook for you, Srila Prabhupada," and Prabhupada
says this should be stopped. Of course, the mystery here is that no outside person was in
fact cooking for Prabhupada at this time. His cooking was very tightly controlled by
Tamal Krishna and Bhakticharu and a very small circle of people. So there were no outside
people at this time cooking for Srila Prabhupada. A testimony we have recently from a
devotee who now lives in the Bay area is that Prabhupada's sister, Pisima - he called her
Pisima, which I think means sister - he had requested her to cook for him because he told
her that "I'm being poisoned, and I want you to buy the (uncooked food) bhoga at the
market and cook for me."
So in other words, the process of potentially poisoning someone through food is well
known; and Tamal Krishna points out herein that this was used, this process of poisoning
a guru was used in the Sankara Sampradaya, and then Prabhupada says, "My Guru Maharaj
also." So his Guru Maharaj, Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, was said to have been
poisoned. Srila Prabhupada mentions this in other conversations that his Guru Maharaj was
being given injections. One of his disciples had made this arrangement with a doctor from
Calcutta, and his Guru Maharaja objected to that. Prabhupada says, "My Guru Maharaj would
have lived for many more years, but he was very disgusted with the way he was being
treated." So in 1936 his guru Srila Saraswati had repeatedly said, "I do not want doctors
and I don't want injections," and this man, a so-called follower, arranged for these
injections. So Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati left the planet untimely.
So you could say perhaps he was also murdered, and that's what Prabhupada says here: "My
Guru Maharaja also" was poisoned and/or given something that he should not have been
given, and this caused him to leave his body untimely. Now, many devotees have at this
point, inside the institution, they have questioned our analysis that the guru of the
1930's, Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, who was Prabhupada's guru, that he had been
poisoned; but here we have it very clearly. Prabhupada is saying, "My Guru Maharaja also"
was given something just like these Sankaracharya guru lineage people. So it's very
clear, his Guru Maharaj was given injections which he objected to, he was poisoned.
What's very interesting here is that the person that Prabhupada says was responsible for
giving these injections to Bhaktisiddhanta in the 1930's was actually glorified by Tamal
Krishna, their advisor Narayana Maharaja, and the rest of the GBC later on as an example
of one of their gurus.
They said in 1990 that this man who Prabhupada credited with giving these injections to
Bhaktisiddhanta, causing him to leave his body, was an example of Tamal Krishna's idea of
what a guru is. So this is very interesting. Why would Tamal Krishna glorify a person
that Prabhupada had specifically said had caused the untimely death of his own guru, and
why would the entire GBC print that statement? And why would Narayana Maharaja make this
statement? Notice that Narayana Maharaja and Tamal were close friends just after Srila
Prabhupada departed.
This was all printed in their 1990 ISKCON Journal. They said that this guru who
Prabhupada credited with the untimely departure of Bhaktisiddhanta, "he's an example of
one of our gurus." So it's kind of a Freudian slip here, in my opinion. They glorify a
person who actually, from all points of view, seems to have poisoned and killed his own
Guru Maharaj. Why would they glorify this individual? So many questions are coming up
here. Why would Tamal Krishna say "we shouldn't give you outside food" when no outside
food is being given here? The food is being very carefully dealt with by a very small
crew of hand-selected people that Tamal Krishna had control over that were not outside
people. So this was another perhaps Freudian slip, "Yes, we shouldn't let outside people
cook." So who is the outsider? Who is that person who is outside of the confidence of
Srila Prabhupada?
Hamsaduta: So we should meet and make a program for going around Vrndavana.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes.
Hamsaduta: You'd like to begin tomorrow morning?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes.
Jayapataka: In this part of India it's very cold now for Your Divine Grace.
Srila Prabhupada: Underneath the tree it is not cold.
So this portion of the tape indicates that Srila Prabhupada was trying to get out of the
room that he was in. He was not also happy being confined in a small room, which he said
there was no air in there and he said, "Don't keep me locked up in here." So this was one
of the indications, which was given many, many times by Srila Prabhupada, "Please take me
out of this room," and he wanted to go on a tour around Vrndavana on a parikrama. He
wanted to go to Mayapur, he wanted to go to Calcutta, he wanted to go different places,
basically indicating he wanted to get out of this room. And so one of the devotees is
saying, "Well, it's very cold outside right now for you, Srila Prabhupada." And he said,
"Well, underneath a tree it's not cold." So in other words, "Just get me out of here,
please, and I'll live under a tree and that will be better for me than staying here in
this situation of being confined." And also perhaps if he had gotten out and was living
under a tree, he could have said, "Hey, I want someone else to be in charge of my food
and medicine" and so on.
Tamal Krishna: You sound like you are very determined to go, Srila Prabhupada.
So this is the voice of Tamal Krishna Goswami kind of indicating in a supposedly
questioning manner, "You sound like you're very determined to go, Srila Prabhupada." So
in other words, yes, Prabhupada was very determined to go. So who was determined to stop
him from going? That's the question here, and why is Tamal saying, in other words, "You
seem to be determined what you want to do, and we want to do something else." There's a
sort of conflict here.
Jagadish: Can you tell us why you want to go on the parikrama?
Srila Prabhupada: (?)
Tamal Krishna: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some
of us like it's suicidal.
Srila Prabhupada: And this is also suicidal.
Tamal Krishna: Hmm. Prabhupada said, "And this is also suicide." Now you have to choose
which suicide.
Srila Prabhupada: The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama.
Eh? That Marichi, if he does not go to be misled Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana. And if
he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamal Krishna: So who is this Prabhupada's talking about?
Devotees: Marichi.
So Marichi was a servant of Ravana, who is a famous demon, and Prabhupada is comparing
himself herein to the position of Marichi. Marichi was requested to go and fool Sita so
that Rama, who is an incarnation of God, would kill him. Marichi would be chased by Rama
and be killed. So Marichi understood, "I'm going to be killed by Ravana if I stay here,
and if I don't follow his order I'll be killed. If I go to Rama I'll be killed also, but
better to be killed by Rama, who is an incarnation of God." So Prabhupada says, "Take me
out on parikrama because then this will be Rama killing me instead of staying here and
having Ravana kill me." So who is the Ravana Prabhupada is referring to? He's saying, "If
I stay here, Ravana will kill me. It's very clear that a demoniac type of force is at
work here if I stay here." That's the implication. From another point of view, we could
say let's just forget totally about the poison issue here for one second. Let's just say
that Prabhupada was like Grandfather Bhisma, who wanted to go out and die gloriously in a
battle. Bhisma wanted to die in a battle because he was a warrior and that was his
nature. So Prabhupada wanted to die preaching because he was a preacher. So he said,
"Please take me out on a parikrama and let me die in the mode of preaching." So he should
have been allowed to go on parikrama simply on that basis. Never mind who would kill him
or not, that's not the question here. The question is he is requesting, this is his final
request, this is his last request: "Take me out, let me die in the battle. Let me die
doing what I am doing, preaching. Don't let me die locked up in this little room here,
please." So this is another major, you could say, misunderstanding that the leaders had
at this time. They did not understand that Prabhupada was a great preacher and he wanted
to die preaching. So even if there was no poisoning issue here (although there is), a
separate issue is that his wishes were not being fulfilled. So if he is their master,
Thus, some of the other leaders who knew of the complaint in 1977 were already
compromised with the GBC hijacker cadre. And thus they accepted the idea that the
apparent poison conspirators were not wrong or evil, but they were pure and holy "Srila
Prabhupada's trusted appointed successors." In short, some people trusted the words of
the ISKCON hijacking conspirators, people like Tamal Krishna, a big GBC leader. And as a
result they did not trust the words of Srila Prabhupada.
And after 1977 folks who were in the room when the poison complaint was uttered, like
Adridharana and Hansadutta, they then supported the GBC's "homosexual guru regime" which
has violently suppressed any expose of the truth whether it is over the molestation
issue, or the poison issue, or any other crimes. So, there was fear by the innocent
class, and suppression by the GBC class, and that suppression included violence and
murders. This is how these issues were and are covered up. For example, the first thing
that Adridharana and Hansadutta should have said in November of 1977 is, Srila Prabhupada
said he is being poisoned, let us get a legal forensic investigation of his food
remnants, his clothing, his utensils, all the items in his room, his medicines and so on,
let them be studied for forensic evidence of poison. They simply did not believe Srila
Prabhupada and they instead believed -- the hijackers.
For that matter, Adridharana still says that Srila Prabhuada's poison complaint is not
important and he is still compromised with the poison party and he is still trying to
suppress the poison case as he has all along. And he still harasses, insults and attacks
people who try to expose the poison complaint. In fact, the GBC has said all along that
us exposers are "demons," in order to get us beaten and killed, and Adridharana's
spokesman has recently said that pada is a heinous "barking gargoyle," so in this way
they try to paint anyone who sympathizes with the molested children, or Srila
Prabhupada's poison complaint, as essentially "a demon." That way, they can get us
banned, beaten, and in sum suppressed, or even killed -- as has occured. So this mood was
already there in 1977, and the issue was suppressed despite that some innocent people
knew about it and they wanted to speak, but they were afraid. And they had good reason to
be afraid.
Actually in my own case I have been shunned, kicked out of ISKCON, banned, have received
numerous death threats, have been chased down the street with aluminum baseball bats,
have been assaulted, glared at, sweared at, cursed by hired voodoo witch doctors, have
seen my friends beaten and killed, and so on and so forth. So we can speak from first
hand experience of how the GBC suppresses people by fear. Of course it now appears that
the poison plot was specifically done to get rid of the master, and make some of the
"servant" leaders appear to be the "appointed" successors, since there is evidence that
the 1978 "guru appointment" project was a total fraud. There never was any appointment of
gurus, and so now it seems like the butler poisoned the master to take over the estate.
And thus, some people did not speak up because they were already compromised with the
poisoning butler's party. Even Judas had some advocates and supporters it seems.
Meanwhile, some who suspected the butler, they were afraid he would kill them too if they
spoke up.
Several important locals in Vrindavana later on said that they were suspicious of some
malefic intent on the part of the ISKCON leaders towards Srila Prabhupada in 1977, but
they too were afraid to speak up or demand any further investigation. As one of the local
Vrindavana residents said, "if they would dare to poison someone like Srila Prabhupada,
they would not hesitate to kill us." In short, "fear" was perhaps the main reason some of
the people who knew of the complaint did not speak up early on. It is for this same
reason that people are often afraid to "speak up" against other criminals and fearful
political tyrants, and so on.
One of the Western devotee eyewitnesses in Vrindavana at the time told me he too was
fearful, and this caused him to be silent. Yet at the present time, the year 2003, many
people have subsequently come forward with testimony regarding the poison complaint since
"the mood of fear" created by the deviant leaders has subsided dramatically. And more and
more people are coming forward with helpful testimony all the time. Since the most "fear
inducing leader" of the ISKCON GBC has died in a car crash, namely Tamal Krishna, this
has encouraged more people to come forward with testimony regarding the poison case and
other deviations of the ISKCON GBC including their orchestrating mass child molesting.]
- The other interesting thing is that Prabhupada narrated the main portion of the poison
complaint in the Hindi language, although most of his followers at the time were
Americans who only spoke English. So the message was sort of hidden, so to speak, within
a different language; and I think it's for this reason that this tape is still existing
and it was not destroyed, because there are many other tapes that we are trying to gather
together at this point in time and we're finding that some of these important tapes,
important conversations that were made, are now missing, they are not available from the
official Archives and so on. So we believe that some of these tapes were hidden, lost, or
destroyed by some of the so-called leaders of the Movement who had a motive to chop and
change some of the information that Prabhupada had given.
* [2003 Update: As of this writing, confirming testimony has emerged that some of the
(especially 1977) audio tape recordings were in fact intentionally hidden, permanently
lost or destroyed. There are, for example, mysterious "gaps" in the audio tape archives.]
- Of course, we've written many different papers about how "the letters" and "the
conversations" and many personal testimonies of devotees were hidden and suppressed by
the deviant leaders, and in fact there were some murders of people who were trying to
bring forward some information about what Prabhupada had wanted and intended. But we're
not going to get into that too much at this point. We're going to just deal primarily now
with the November 8th tape itself, some of the statements that are made there. Some of
them are in Hindi, some of them are in Bengali, and some are in English. So we're going
to do our best. We're not native speakers of Hindi or Bengali, or we're not even speakers
of these languages. However, we have had people listen to these tapes and give us what
seems to be an approximation of what Prabhupada is saying in these languages. Plus we
have played these tapes on the radio to thousands of people who have heard them and they
have not challenged the assessment that we have made, which is that Prabhupada is saying
that he is being poisoned. So it seems to be the consensus of people, especially Hindi
native speakers, that Prabhupada is in fact complaining that he is being poisoned by
someone, not poisoned because his kidneys are bad or something like that. He's making a
direct statement that an individual is responsible for his being poisoned. So without
further ado, we'll start with the first statement from November 8th, the first complaint
about the poisoning.
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je poison kore diyeche.....hoy to tai. [Someone says that
someone has poisoned me. Maybe it's true.]
Balaram Mishra(?): Hmm?
Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain? [What, may I ask, is your holiness saying?]
Srila Prabhupada: Koi bolta hai je mujhko koi poison diya hai. [Someone says that someone
has given poison.]
Kaviraja: Kisko? [To whom?]
Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko. [To me.]
So this has been translated as "Someone is being given poison here," and the man asks "To
whom?" and Prabhupada says "mujhko," which means "to me."
Kaviraja: Kaun bolta hai? [Who is saying this?]
Srila Prabhupada: Ye sab friends. [All these friends.]
So the next little section is "Who says that you are being poisoned?", and Prabhupada
answers that "they are friends." So "who" is this friend or friends who informed him that
he is being poisoned? It could be anyone, of course. It could be Krishna Himself because
Prabhupada is, according to our philosophy, in direct communion with the Supreme Lord. So
why couldn't his friend, his best friend, Krishna, have told him that "someone is
poisoning you"? This is a possibility. The other thing is that we do not find any other
discussion prior to this on record where Prabhupada was talking to anyone about someone
poisoning him. So all of a sudden out of the blue Prabhupada says, "A friend or some
friends has said that I am being poisoned."
[2003 Update: Subsequent digital forensic audio analysis of "the poison tapes" shows that
there were in fact "friends" (some GBC leaders) speaking "background conversations" (some
of the leaders were whispering) at least on some of these tapes. Professional forensic
analysis confirms that some of these leaders were in fact discussing how they were
poisoning Srila Prabhupada. So the "friends" whom Srila Prabhupada refers to above,
discussing his being poisoned, they are apparently his own leaders. Indeed these leaders
were in fact discussing poisoning him as audio forensics confirms, and he was apparently
aware of their talking about poisoning him.
Some folks like GBC members or for example Yaduraja dasa of the "ISKCON Reform Movement"
(IRM) have criticized Srila Prabhupada for his not speaking "more directly" about his
poisoning. They are now very upset and angry that Srila Prabhupada's complaint has been
confirmed by audio forensics experts, arsenic forensics experts, more and more testimony
and so on. They complain that he was making "indirect" comments about his poisoning, so
they can be discounted. Yet we think that there are good reasons for this. Perhaps his
statements were intentionally "indirect" to see how some of his leaders would respond to
the word "poison"; or so that the poisoners would not become too suspicious and simply
kill him faster. This is what could easily have been the outcome. If there was a
conspiracy of "friends" who were giving him poison, and if they thought he might expose
them, then they might "finish off the job sooner." In other words, the GBC and Yaduraja
types think that Srila Prabhupada should be forbidden from using: common sense? Even in
ordinary criminal activity, when for example a person is hijacked or kidnapped, he may
not always reveal his mind to the kidnappers? Yet some of the GBC and IRM leaders say
that unless Srila Prabhupada reveals his mind to the people who may be poisoning him, he
is guilty of the crime of speaking poorly, in their estimation? "Unless Jesus says, right
now I am being crucified, he was not crucified"? This is how they attack the poison
complaint of the pure devotee.
Some say that Srila Prabhupada's being "killed sooner" is what actually happened anyway
for his exposing the poison issue. As soon as he complained he was being given poison,
the poison was apparently increased, and so he departed from his body shortly thereafter.
In other words, some of the critics of the method Srila Prabhupada handled this poison
crisis are not to aware of how people who are being poisoned might respond to that
situation. They may not come out and say directly, "I am being poisoned, by my leaders,
the "yeh sab friends," and they want to kill me." If the victim is physically weakened,
and isolated, and surrounded by apparent conspirators, the victim may speak in a more
oblique manner. So we would argue that the fact that "the poison complaints" are a little
oblique, and this fits with the idea that he could not trust the people around him, so he
was being a little discrete and indirect. The GBC and IRM assume that Srila Prabhupada
trusted Tamal and his coterie so he could speak "directly" to them -- and we do not.
Also, perhaps this complaint was "indirect" since there are other indications that he was
trying to get out of the leader's grips and he did not want to alert them so they would
halt his plan to escape. Srila Prabhupada kept saying over and over and over, get me out
of this room, take me to Mayapura, take me on parikrama, get me out of here. So he wanted
to escape, and yet the leaders were holding him back and keeping him in a small room. So
he may have wanted to be more careful how he complained about his apparent poison since
he was in a confined space and he was surrounded by a cadre of the conspirator "friends."
Perhaps he was "indirect" since he knew he was going to leave his body soon anyway and so
he wanted this conversation to be a little covered so that it would not cause too much
alarm within his circle of attackers. If he had been "more direct" the conspirators may
have destroyed these tapes and killed a few eye witnesses. Instead, by Srila Prabhupada's
"indirect" method, the audio tape, and the story of his poison complaint, would
eventually emerge, as has apparently occurred in fact.]
- Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada? (15-second pause)
[2003 Update: This shows that Tamal Krishna swami, one of the main suspects in the poison
case, was aware that Srila Prabhupada was complaining of his being poisoned and Tamal
later confirmed this in his diary, that Srila Prabhupada had complained he was being
poisoned. Yet at the time, notice, all that Tamal really wanted to know was, "who" was
telling him that he was being poisoned? Was one of the inner circle of poisoners
betraying the others and telling Srila Prabhupada of their plot? Notice that Tamal is not
very alarmed at the idea that Srila Prabhupada was in fact being poisoned and maybe
killed by his saying, "Oh, Srila Prabhupada is thinking someone is giving him poison, so
we have to analyze all of his food and medicines immediately. He should be tested for
poison content in his body." There is just this rather casual comment, "Who is saying
that"?
No such alarm was thus raised, no such alarm apparently even existed amongst the other
leaders. Thus no suggestion was made by anyone to see if the complaint had merit. And if
the complaint was valid, then it perhaps could be corrected, and perhaps the poison
effect could be reversed. Notice that no such alarm bells were being rung by those who
heard the complaint. Rather, all that Tamal wanted to know was: how did you come to
understand that you were being poisoned? Thus the "alarm bells" seemed to be, not that
Srila Prabhupada is being poisoned but: Is there a leak in our conspiracy? "Who" is
saying that you are being poisoned? The crisis seems to be: How can we contain the leak
that you are being poisoned? Adridharana dasa of Calcutta also originally told me (in
1997) he too was alarmed at the poison complaint in 1977, but he too did nothing to
correct it or investigate it either. Later on Adridharana even tried to oppose Srila
Prabhupada's statements by de facto saying: there never even was any poison complaint?
So, there has been a mood of suppressing Srila Prabhupada and his complaint by those in
posts of leadership, and in sum protecting the poison conspirators, but this is rapidly
changing as the evidence piles up that there is a poison complaint and it is valid.]
- Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said. Mmmmm. (?) jyoti jnana. [The
astrologer knows.]
So this little section is interesting because Prabhupada is being asked "who said that"
and he says, "I do not know, but it is said." So in other words, it's a fact, it's a
fact. So "who" has said it, Prabhupada is somewhat reluctant to say perhaps here, but "It
is said, it's a fact, I am being poisoned."
[2003 Update: If Tamal was one of those suspected by Srila Prabhupada in the poison plot,
Prabhupada is not going to say, "I do know there is a conspiracy to poison me, and you
Mr. Tamal, are part of it." So he rather diverts the issue by saying, "I do not know who
is saying that 'I am being poisoned,' but it is being said by someone." He is being
intentionally vague apparently to throw off the persons whom he suspects. Srila
Prabhupada is just mildly pushing out the issue indirectly to see if there is some way to
either get out of the situation or at least, to expose it. So "I do not know who says I
am being poisoned, but it is said." This is also going to put Tamal on the defensive,
"who" is saying this? He does not know? So that means Tamal has to maybe be careful, the
story is perhaps getting out. So this was also a means for Srila Prabhupada to perhaps
protect himself, "watch out, someone is talking about my being poisoned, maybe your party
will be found out." This also could have been a defensive tactic on Srila Prabhupada's
part.
Again this is also perhaps to test how Tamal and others will respond. Another thing is
that the critics of Srila Prabhupada's poison case, such as the GBC, Adridharana,
Yaduraja of the IRM et al., they have failed to identify who these "friends" are, those
who are speaking of his poisoning, in all these years? Nor have they even tried to get
their own forensics done, nor have they studied the whispers we have had analyzed
according to their spokesman? They seem to want to make the impression that Srila
Prabhupada was getting old, maybe his mind was slipping, maybe he was hearing voices?
They simply say more or less that "no one" was talking about his poisoning, he was making
it up, maybe he was mentally unsound, that is their sort of complaint against Srila
Prabhupada. No, there are solid forensic evidences that the people in the room in Srila
Prabhupada's presence were in fact discussing poisoning him, his so-called "friends."
Again, as of this point, no counter audio forensics has been forwarded by the GBC or
their IRM counterparts. Meanwhile several more audio labs have confirmed that the
whispers of the conspirator "friends" do in fact exist. "It is said that I am being
poisoned," and this was in fact being said. And this has been verified by audio forensics
labs: it is being said that he is being poisoned by his leaders, his "friends."
Worse, the GBC and the IRM forwarded a false audio forensics "expert" to counteract us,
but their "expert" has subsequently admitted in public that he has no audio forensic
credentials. In sum the GBC and the IRM tried to bluff their way out of the poison
complaint and they tried to paint Srila Prabhupada as incoherent, incompetent, and they
tried make a huge joke and circus out of the poison complaint of Srila Prabhupada with
their bogus counter forensics and other falsity. This has backfired on them badly. Worse,
the GBC tried to start a web site to counteract the poison complaint and this was also
subsequently endorsed by the IRM, and now that web site has disappeared, being
discredited, and in addition the main leaders of that site's GBC are being sued for
starting a mass homosexual pedophile molesting regime.]
- Then he says jyoti jnana. "The jyoti knows," this is I think the way this would be
translated. So in Prabhupada's chart, his astrological chart or jyotish, it says "you
will live for six more years." This was read in August of 1977, his jyotish, just a few
months before he left his body. In his chart it said, "You will live for six more years
if you can live for the next six months. But watch out over the next six months, you will
have some danger from juniors and subordinates, meaning the leaders, the people around
you, they could be very dangerous." So Prabhupada makes a reference here to the jyotish,
and in the jyotish there's a warning about his leaders being a potential cause of his
death over the next six months.
[2003 Update: The Astrology chart of Srila Prabhupada indeed confirms that there is a
warning about his life being cut short due to some dangerous activities from some of his
"juniors and subordinates," his leaders. The chart says that he will live, but only
essentially if "the subordinates" do not kill him. Many people have studied this
statement in his chart, by today, and the consensus is that Srila Prabhupada is making a
reference above to his astrology chart predicting "danger from juniors and subordinates,"
i.e. that he could essentially be murdered by his "juniors and subordinates." And so he
says, "the chart knows" -- who is talking about poisoning me, since the chart says there
will be danger -- of being murdered -- from your juniors and subordinates. So now we have
the idea that some "friends" are talking about poisoning him, and his chart has a warning
about a plot to end his life, something like poison being used by his juniors against
him, by the same party of "friends."]
- Kaviraja: Yeh maharaj ji, ye kotha ap kaise bola aap ki... koi bola hai ki poison diya
hai. Ye ap ko kuch abhas hua hai kya? [So, Maharaj, what is this that you said about
someone telling you that you had been poisoned? Did you feel something?]
[2003 Update: The kaviraja was aware that Srila Prabhupada was saying that "someone" was
saying he was being poisoned, so this means that the eyewitnesses understood that he was
saying "someone says I am being poisoned." Again the GBC and IRM types have tried to say
that he was complaining about his liver or something like that, but no, there was the
idea that by malefic intent poison was being given.]
Srila Prabhupada: Nahin, aise koi bola je...debe-sa hi ja hota hai. Shayad koi kitab men
likha hai. [No, some people say like this, that ...it is like that when it (poison) is
given. Perhaps it is written in some book.]
[2003 Update: Srila Prabhupada says, (a) Some friends say I am being poisoned, (b) My
chart say beware that my juniors may use something to kill me, and now he says (c) That
he has the symptoms of a person who is being given poison. A number of Indian doctors
(kavirajas) confirm that he appeared like a person who had the symptoms of being
poisoned. So this is further confirmation, someone says I am being poisoned, my chart
says beware of juniors may be plotting to kill me, and now, moreover, I have the symptoms
of poisoning. Many experts subsequently agreed, he did have the symptoms of a person who
was being given poison.]
- Kaviraja: Kai karanon se ho jata hai, kacce mercury se ho jata hai, ya aur koi bhi ciz
aisha hai vaisha ho jata, lekin apke liye kaun karega ham to yahi samajhata hai. Aise
devpurush ke liye koi manasi vicar karega, vo bhi rakshas hai.
[It could be for a number of reasons, because of raw mercury and there are other things
which can have a similar effect. Who would do such a thing to you, I cannot understand.
Anyone who could even consider doing such a thing to a divine personality like yourself
is a rakshasa (demon).]
So this section is very significant. The word mercury is introduced. It is a poison,
severe poison that is used or could be used to kill somebody. So mercury and also the
word rakshasa, which means a demoniac individual. So if we connect these ideas together,
the speaker, who I think is the kaviraja, the doctor, is saying that someone is giving
him some poison like mercury and whoever is doing that is a demon, a rakshasa. So some
people have said that this tape or this conversation means that Prabhupada was saying "my
liver is bad" and "my liver is poisoning me" and so on. That is not at all what's being
said here. What is being said is that there are some demoniac forces here, some evil
force at work. It is not some physiological thing, it is not an accidental thing. It is
the work of a rakshasa or an individual who has made a design to try to eliminate the
pure devotee of the Lord, Srila Prabhupada. And this demoniac person is maybe
administering some metallic poison like mercury.
[2003 Update: So now we have, (a) Some friends say I am being poisoned (b) My astrology
chart says beware that my juniors may use something to kill me (c) I have the symptoms of
a person who is being given poison (d) The doctor says some "demon" may be giving him
mercury. The metallic poison has turned out to be arsenic, which was found in excessive
amounts in Srila Prabhupada's hair sample.]
- Tamal Krishna: Srila Prabhupada? You said before that you ...that it is said that you
were poisoned?
Srila Prabhupada: No. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned, he said
like that. Not that I am poisoned.
[2003 Update: This phrase, "not that I am poisoned," has been used by the GBC and their
defenders like Adridharana, Yaduraja and the IRM to make it seem like this is all a
contradiction: (1) He is saying he is being poisoned -- but (2) He is -- not -- saying
that? They try to establish that Srila Prabhupada is crazy or confused? No, he is saying
that he is being poisoned, and the doctor understands this and says a (rakshasa) demon is
giving the poison, but again while speaking to Tamal, Srila Prabhupada back pedals
because he does not want Tamal to know that he is aware that their party is giving him
poison. The GBC and IRM cannot understand that one may not always talk openly to one's
kidnapper or hijackers, so they rather try to say that Srila Prabhupada is speaking
gibberish -- apparently to defend the poison plotters. They also say that you have to
reveal your mind to your kidnappers or hijackers, so you will not be able to escape and
you will be killed faster? They are the ones not making sense?
Notice that Srila Prabhupada already totally deflected Tamal's first question, "who is
saying this," and now he is again deflecting Tamal's next question. Of course this begs
the bigger question, if he has "the symptoms of a person being poisoned," why didn't
Tamal try to have the situation analyzed and try to identify where the source of the
poison was? Why does Srila Prabhupada have "the symptoms" of a person who is being
poisoned anyway? Why was this not investigated? And since the doctor said that a demon
was maybe administering the poison, this shows that "a person or persons" were being
blamed for the poisoning. This was not investigated either? Notice that Srila Prabhupada
did not correct the doctor and say, "no, you are wrong, no one is giving me poison,"
rather he lets that statement stand, and maybe there is a demon who is giving me poison,
and maybe it is something like mercury. Only when the conversation flips back to Tamal
does Srila Prabhupada try to downplay it, and that is because we think: he suspects
Tamal.]
- Tamal Krishna: Did anyone tell you that, or you just know it from before?
Srila Prabhupada: I read something.
Tamal Krishna: Ah.
So this conversation is very significant. Srila Prabhupada is saying that he had the
physiological characteristics of a person who is being given poison, and we have had an
82-year-old doctor, an expert in Ayurvedic physician medicine, a practicing doctor, who
has given an analysis by looking at Prabhupada's videos, seeing how he looked
physiologically, and he said that Prabhupada had the physiological characteristics of a
person who is being given poison from this doctor's viewpoint. This doctor also pointed
out that in India poison is a little more commonly used than in the West. In the West, of
course, we use guns and knives and dispatch people as quickly as possible; but poison is
also used in the West sometimes, especially when you're trying to kill someone by subtle
background means or you don't want to make it conspicuous that you're trying to get rid
of someone. So poison is a more insidious form of trying to eliminate someone. So anyway,
Prabhupada said, "I look like someone who is being poisoned." And he says, "I read it
somewhere also. Someone said that." He doesn't say who that someone is, but also he read
it. In other words, Prabhupada was an expert in medicine and pharmaceutical products, he
was a salesman for pharmaceutical products. So he read somewhere perhaps that if a person
is being poisoned, this is how he would look or this is how his body would react. So
either way, he read it himself or someone told him or he had an intuition or Krishna told
him. Somehow or other he had the understanding that he looks like at least a person who
had been given poison, and he had the physiological characteristics of a person who had
been given poison.
- Tamal Krishna: I see. That's why actually we cannot allow anyone else to cook for you.
Srila Prabhupada: That is good.
[2003 Update: So it is clear, "someone" may be giving him poison, and therefore they have
to make sure no one suspicious is allowed to cook for him. It was thus clearly understood
that "someone" was near or in his presence who could be giving him poison, and therefore
precautions had to be made to try to halt that person or persons from having access to
his food and medicine. The problem here is that the people who had access to his food and
medicine are: the leaders. Notice also that Srila Prabhupada agrees, yes someone may be
giving me poison, so we have to make sure no one else has access to the food that I am
ingesting. Of interest, recent testimony is that one of Tamal's associates was seen
pouring a liquid over Srila Prabhupada's food just before giving it to him.]
- Tamal Krishna: Jayapataka Maharaj was telling that one acharya, Sankaracharya, of the
Sankaracharya line - this is a while ago - he was poisoned to death. Since that time,
none of the acharyas or the gurus of the Sankaracharya line will ever take any food
cooked except by their own men.
Srila Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaj (Srila Saraswati) also.
[2003 Update: Notice that some of the GBC leaders were in fact discussing the issue of
poisoning of gurus?]
- So in this section we find that it is known that sometimes great saintly persons are
attacked by someone trying to put poison into their food. Tamal Krishna points out that
"We've been very liberal letting people cook for you, Srila Prabhupada," and Prabhupada
says this should be stopped. Of course, the mystery here is that no outside person was in
fact cooking for Prabhupada at this time. His cooking was very tightly controlled by
Tamal Krishna and Bhakticharu and a very small circle of people. So there were no outside
people at this time cooking for Srila Prabhupada. A testimony we have recently from a
devotee who now lives in the Bay area is that Prabhupada's sister, Pisima - he called her
Pisima, which I think means sister - he had requested her to cook for him because he told
her that "I'm being poisoned, and I want you to buy the (uncooked food) bhoga at the
market and cook for me."
So in other words, the process of potentially poisoning someone through food is well
known; and Tamal Krishna points out herein that this was used, this process of poisoning
a guru was used in the Sankara Sampradaya, and then Prabhupada says, "My Guru Maharaj
also." So his Guru Maharaj, Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, was said to have been
poisoned. Srila Prabhupada mentions this in other conversations that his Guru Maharaj was
being given injections. One of his disciples had made this arrangement with a doctor from
Calcutta, and his Guru Maharaja objected to that. Prabhupada says, "My Guru Maharaj would
have lived for many more years, but he was very disgusted with the way he was being
treated." So in 1936 his guru Srila Saraswati had repeatedly said, "I do not want doctors
and I don't want injections," and this man, a so-called follower, arranged for these
injections. So Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati left the planet untimely.
So you could say perhaps he was also murdered, and that's what Prabhupada says here: "My
Guru Maharaja also" was poisoned and/or given something that he should not have been
given, and this caused him to leave his body untimely. Now, many devotees have at this
point, inside the institution, they have questioned our analysis that the guru of the
1930's, Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, who was Prabhupada's guru, that he had been
poisoned; but here we have it very clearly. Prabhupada is saying, "My Guru Maharaja also"
was given something just like these Sankaracharya guru lineage people. So it's very
clear, his Guru Maharaj was given injections which he objected to, he was poisoned.
What's very interesting here is that the person that Prabhupada says was responsible for
giving these injections to Bhaktisiddhanta in the 1930's was actually glorified by Tamal
Krishna, their advisor Narayana Maharaja, and the rest of the GBC later on as an example
of one of their gurus. They said in 1990 that this man who Prabhupada credited with giving these injections to
Bhaktisiddhanta, causing him to leave his body, was an example of Tamal Krishna's idea of
what a guru is. So this is very interesting. Why would Tamal Krishna glorify a person
that Prabhupada had specifically said had caused the untimely death of his own guru, and
why would the entire GBC print that statement? And why would Narayana Maharaja make this
statement? Notice that Narayana Maharaja and Tamal were close friends just after Srila
Prabhupada departed.
This was all printed in their 1990 ISKCON Journal. They said that this guru who
Prabhupada credited with the untimely departure of Bhaktisiddhanta, "he's an example of
one of our gurus." So it's kind of a Freudian slip here, in my opinion. They glorify a
person who actually, from all points of view, seems to have poisoned and killed his own
Guru Maharaj. Why would they glorify this individual? So many questions are coming up
here. Why would Tamal Krishna say "we shouldn't give you outside food" when no outside
food is being given here? The food is being very carefully dealt with by a very small
crew of hand-selected people that Tamal Krishna had control over that were not outside
people. So this was another perhaps Freudian slip, "Yes, we shouldn't let outside people
cook." So who is the outsider? Who is that person who is outside of the confidence of
Srila Prabhupada?
Hamsaduta: So we should meet and make a program for going around Vrndavana.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes.
Hamsaduta: You'd like to begin tomorrow morning?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes.
Jayapataka: In this part of India it's very cold now for Your Divine Grace.
Srila Prabhupada: Underneath the tree it is not cold.
So this portion of the tape indicates that Srila Prabhupada was trying to get out of the
room that he was in. He was not also happy being confined in a small room, which he said
there was no air in there and he said, "Don't keep me locked up in here." So this was one
of the indications, which was given many, many times by Srila Prabhupada, "Please take me
out of this room," and he wanted to go on a tour around Vrndavana on a parikrama. He
wanted to go to Mayapur, he wanted to go to Calcutta, he wanted to go different places,
basically indicating he wanted to get out of this room. And so one of the devotees is
saying, "Well, it's very cold outside right now for you, Srila Prabhupada." And he said,
"Well, underneath a tree it's not cold." So in other words, "Just get me out of here,
please, and I'll live under a tree and that will be better for me than staying here in
this situation of being confined." And also perhaps if he had gotten out and was living
under a tree, he could have said, "Hey, I want someone else to be in charge of my food
and medicine" and so on.
Tamal Krishna: You sound like you are very determined to go, Srila Prabhupada.
So this is the voice of Tamal Krishna Goswami kind of indicating in a supposedly
questioning manner, "You sound like you're very determined to go, Srila Prabhupada." So
in other words, yes, Prabhupada was very determined to go. So who was determined to stop
him from going? That's the question here, and why is Tamal saying, in other words, "You
seem to be determined what you want to do, and we want to do something else." There's a
sort of conflict here.
Jagadish: Can you tell us why you want to go on the parikrama?
Srila Prabhupada: (?)
Tamal Krishna: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some
of us like it's suicidal.
Srila Prabhupada: And this is also suicidal.
Tamal Krishna: Hmm. Prabhupada said, "And this is also suicide." Now you have to choose
which suicide.
Srila Prabhupada: The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama.
Eh? That Marichi, if he does not go to be misled Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana. And if
he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamal Krishna: So who is this Prabhupada's talking about?
Devotees: Marichi.
So Marichi was a servant of Ravana, who is a famous demon, and Prabhupada is comparing
himself herein to the position of Marichi. Marichi was requested to go and fool Sita so
that Rama, who is an incarnation of God, would kill him. Marichi would be chased by Rama
and be killed. So Marichi understood, "I'm going to be killed by Ravana if I stay here,
and if I don't follow his order I'll be killed. If I go to Rama I'll be killed also, but
better to be killed by Rama, who is an incarnation of God." So Prabhupada says, "Take me
out on parikrama because then this will be Rama killing me instead of staying here and
having Ravana kill me." So who is the Ravana Prabhupada is referring to? He's saying, "If
I stay here, Ravana will kill me. It's very clear that a demoniac type of force is at
work here if I stay here." That's the implication. From another point of view, we could
say let's just forget totally about the poison issue here for one second. Let's just say
that Prabhupada was like Grandfather Bhisma, who wanted to go out and die gloriously in a
battle. Bhisma wanted to die in a battle because he was a warrior and that was his
nature. So Prabhupada wanted to die preaching because he was a preacher. So he said,
"Please take me out on a parikrama and let me die in the mode of preaching." So he should
have been allowed to go on parikrama simply on that basis. Never mind who would kill him
or not, that's not the question here. The question is he is requesting, this is his final
request, this is his last request: "Take me out, let me die in the battle. Let me die
doing what I am doing, preaching. Don't let me die locked up in this little room here,
please." So this is another major, you could say, misunderstanding that the leaders had
at this time. They did not understand that Prabhupada was a great preacher and he wanted
to die preaching. So even if there was no poisoning issue here (although there is), a
separate issue is that his wishes were not being fulfilled. So if he is their master,
their duty is to follow his wishes and they did not do so.
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Bhakticharu: He said pathological point of view there is nothing wrong.
Kaviraja: General condition is now good.
Bhakticharu: His condition, the heartbeat is perfect...
Tamal Krishna: So what is wrong?
Bhakticharu: Blood pressure is perfect.
Tamal Krishna: It is a spiritual...
So this is an interesting section. The kaviraja is saying that the heartbeat is good,
pulse is good, physiological condition is good. So what is wrong? What is possibly wrong
with Srila Prabhupada? In other words, from ordinary circumstances he should be healthy,
but he's not. He's very ill. What could possibly be the problem here? So Tamal Krishna
comes up with this very strange explanation at this point: "It's a spiritual thing."
Prabhupada, the spiritual master of the Hare Krishna Movement, Tamal's master, has a
spiritual problem. Yes, how can this be? How can a person who is fully Krishna conscious,
100 percent Krishna conscious, who wrote 70 books about Krishna consciousness, has put
himself in the World Book of Records for writing more books than anybody in a short
period of time in the history of writing, he's the world's most prolific author on
spiritual topics and yet he's having "a spiritual problem"? No. Tamal is having a
problem. He's having a problem understanding what's going on here, the dynamic that's
going on here - either that, or perhaps he's covering something up. "Oh, yeah, it's a
spiritual problem." No, he's being poisoned. This is not a spiritual problem. He doesn't
have a general health problem. So we'll see later that Prabhupada says, "Even ten
medicines couldn't save me." In other words, it's not a medical problem, it's not a
spiritual problem. The problem is: someone is giving him poison.
Bhakticharu: ...when the Saturn looks away from him and he...
Tamal Krishna: But what did Prabhupada just say?
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Bhakticharu: No, when he said that pathological...
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Bhakticharu: He said how can you define it, how can you explain it?
Tamal Krishna: What did Srila Prabhupada say?
Bhakticharu: Like the condition couldn't have improved by ten medicines also, but with
one medicine it become perfect.
Tamal Krishna: What did Prabhupada just say?
Bhakticharu: Prabhupada just said that, I mean, this morning his condition was bad, not
now.
Bhavananda: But Prabhupada was complaining of mental distress this morning also.
Bhakticharu: Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Hm?
Bhakticharu: Ota ki byapar hoyechilo, mental distress? [What was that all about, mental
distress?]
Srila Prabhupada: Hm, hm.
Kaviraja: Boliye, boliye. [Go ahead, say it.]
Srila Prabhupada: Vohi baat hai, koi hamko poison diya. [Same thing, someone administered
me poison.]
Bhakticharu: Oh, accha.
So it almost seems like the kaviraja, the doctor, is trying to pry out of Prabhupada,
"What's really wrong with you? Bole, bole, please tell us. You're experiencing mental
distress. We can't really figure out what's wrong with you from a physiological point of
view, pathological point of view. But you're mentally distressed, so you must know
something about your condition that we don't know. So what is that? Please tell us." So
Prabhupada finally just says, "OK, I'm being poisoned. That's the problem. That's the
cause of my mental distress."
Srila Prabhupada: Vohi baat hai, koi hamko poison diya. [Same thing, someone administered
me poison.]
Bhakticharu: Oh, accha. (?)
Bhavananda: Hm?
Kaviraja: Dekhiya bat ye hai, ki, ho sakta hai kisi rakshash ne diya ho. [Look, this is
the thing, that maybe some rakshasa gave him poison.]
Bhakticharu: He's saying that someone gave him poison.
[2003 Update: Rather oddly the GBC and their IRM advocates says that there is no reason
for Srila Prabhupada to be experiencing mental distress, rather he is complaining about,
nothing? Apart from everything else, most devotees say they are heartless for saying
this. We think it is because they are likely in sympathy with the poisoner clique. "Our
guru is experiencing mental distress from being poisoned, who cares" says the GBC and the
IRM? We do not want our dear pals on the GBC to have any mental distress from being
exposed in this plot? Jesus was crucified, who cares, we do not want Judas and Pontius
Pilate to be implicated?]
POISON TAPE TRANSCRIPT Pt.2
...So I know that that area is a little confusing, but if you listen very carefully
you'll hear Bhakticharu, who is now currently Bhakticharu Swami, one of the ISKCON gurus
by the way, he is translating what Prabhupada had just said, "someone gave him poison
here. Someone gave him poison here." This is not, "Oh, he has a liver problem which is
causing poison." No. Someone, a person, an individual, has tried to get rid of Srila
Prabhupada. That's what he says.
Of course, Bhakticharu, at this point, for 20 years he's been silent on this issue. So
this is a major problem that we're having right now. Here is one of the key witnesses,
he's there, he's one of the few people who understands Hindi and Bengali and English, and
yet instead of saying at the time, "Whoa, let's hold on a minute, folks. Srila Prabhupada
just said that he is being poisoned by someone. Let's make a big investigation."
He could have gone out and recruited many devotees to help him. He didn't say a word,
though, to the rank and file devotees. He did not try to recruit any help here. So this
is very strange, and we're not sure legally even how this works. If you know someone says
"I'm being killed" and you're just not helping that person, not demanding help and
investigating the cause of this person being killed, are you implicated legally? I'm not
sure, according to different laws. We're studying this issue right now.
Kaviraja: Dekhiya bat ye hai, ki, ho sakta hai kisi rakshash ne diya ho. [Look, this is
the thing, that maybe some rakshasa gave him poison.]
[2003 Update: Again, that idea that some "rakshasa" (a demoniac person) is consciously
and purposefully administering poison to Srila Prabhupada is repeated. Again, the GBC
keeps saying that this was a complaint about a bad liver, but this is clearly not the
case. The complaint has to do with the "demoniac" intent of persons giving poison to
Srila Prabhupada.]
Bhakticharu: He's saying that someone gave him poison.
[2003 Update: Again notice, "He (Srila Prabhupada) is saying that someone gave him
poison." So this was how the conversation is going, he is being poisoned, and it is
intentional, and it is being administered by "someone." Oddly, Adridharana dasa of
Calcutta, one of the people in the room at the time of the poison complaint, he has
subsequently tried to agree with the GBC that this above conversation is not a poison
complaint. He says that the people in the room were misunderstanding the complaint, since
there really was none? Yet, if he was in the room at the time, and he understood Hindi
and Bengali, why did he not clarify this "misunderstanding" at the time? And why didn't
he clarify it later on but he remained silent for 20 years, until we brought it up?
Clearly from the audio tape, everyone else in the room is agreeing: "someone gave him
poison." And yet Adridharana says he was in the room too, and he was the only one
thinking, this complaint is non-existing? Why did he not speak up at the time then? Why
did he not come out of the room and notify the other devotees: the people in Srila
Prabhupada's room are "making up" a poison complaint, as he now says is what occured? No,
there was a poison complaint, and he knew there was one, and now he is trying to "get
himself off the hook" of guilt by omission. He should have acted to do something about
this complaint.] Kaviraja: Caru Swami?
Poisoning Range 1 – 5ppm Srila Prabhupada Arsenic Level – 2.6 ppm
Summary: The concentration of arsenic found in Srila Prabhupada's hair clippings was
determined by state-of-the-art, highly accurate, neutron activation analysis. Concluded
by expert opinion to be twenty times higher than a normal average, the 2. 6 ppm
concentration discovered is certainly cause for alarm. Statements by various government,
academic, and scientific authorities confirm that levels in individuals with chronic
(arsenic) poisoning range between 1 and 5 ppm. Further, 2. 6 ppm ranges between dangerous
and very dangerous.
CHAPTER TWO: SRILA PRABHUPADA'S PHYSICIANS SAY POISONING POSSIBLE AND EVEN DEFINITE:
SUMMARY When specifically asked if Srila Prabhupada could have been poisoned, several of
the physicians that had treated him in late 1977 responded in the affirmative, including
the physician misquoted by NTIP: Dr McIrvine of the United Kingdom. Their responses
ranged from 'poisoning being possible' to 'slow poisoning was diagnosed and reported.'
CHAPTER THREE: "THE RAVANA WILL KILL (ME)" (SRILA PRABHUPADA, NOV 10, 1977 CONVERSATIONS.
SUMMARY, For the first time, followers of Srila Prabhupada will be able to read/ hear the
complete text of the relevant "poison conversations," as well as enhancements of
`whispers' provided by top rated audio forensic engineers. This Chapter analyses the
documented "Conversations" with His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, just prior to his
disappearance. The recordings are identified as tapes T-44, 45 & 46. Transcripts of the
tapes are available in a BBT publication entitled: "Conversations with Srila Prabhupada
Volume 36." Tapes and book are available from the BBT Archives: Sandy Ridge, North
Carolina.
CHAPTER FOUR: TAMAL KRSNA INCRIMINATES HIMSELF AS WHISPERING: "THE POISON'S GOING DOWN."
SUMMARY This chapter deals with the audio forensic evidence that identifies the whisper;
"It's going down... the poison's going down." Three top level audio forensic engineers in
the United States have identified the word 'poison' as a frequent utterance. This chapter
identifies the people in the room at the time, and confirms Tamal Krsna's admittance to
being the person who spoke the whisper. It also deals with the statement of the GBC
'expert' who they claimed denied the whisper. We show a signed statement by their witness
claiming that he was misquoted in the GBC book, "Not That I am Poisoned."
PART TWO CHAPTER ONE: BHAVANANDA DAS (a.k.a Charles Bacis): EXPOSED CHILD ABUSER NOW
SUSPECT IN POISONING: Part Two of our report, deals with "testimonies" offered by
suspects and their supporters in the GBC publication: "Not That I am Poisoned" (NTIP).
SUMMARY With the death of Tamal Krsna (a.k.a Thomas Herzig), Bhavananda Das becomes the
next living prime suspect in the poisoning of His Divine Grace, A. C Bhaktivedanta Swami
Prabhupada, Founder Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness
(ISKCON). It was Bhavanada who was standing beside Tamal Krsna, and closest to the tape
recorder when the whisper, "The poison's going down" was picked up on tape. From position
and voice identification, the giggle that follows the whisper identifies Bhavananda as
the person standing with Tamal Krsna.
CHAPTER TWO BHAKTICARU: THE FIRST DISCIPLE TO REPORT, "SOMEONE HAS POISONED HIM."
(Conversations. Vol. 36. Page 367. Nov. 1977) Part Two; Chapter Two is a discrete study
of the 'statement' by Bhakticaru. Posted on the VNN website ('Let The Truth Prevail'
4/10/99), the statement was later added to the GBC book 'Not That I am Poisoned" (NTIP,
121 p).
SUMMARY: Bhakticaru was appointed Srila Prabhupada's 'nurse' during the final days. He
was assigned to the position by Tamal Krsna (Prabhupada's secretary). Surprisingly, his
appointment had nothing to do with medical accreditation (he had none). Although
Bhakticaru has made a statement in the GBC book (NTIP) that he believed the poison
allegation to be absurd, his audio taped statements in the presence of Srila Prabhupada
will show that he declared openly and publicly, "Someone has poisoned him," meaning:
someone had poisoned Srila Prabhupada.
CHAPTER THREE/ TAMAL KRSNA CLAIMS THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA ASKED TO BE POISONED (Recorded
Conversation, Nov. 1977)
SUMMARY/ We analyse the writings of Tamal Krsna (a.k.a Thomas Herzig) to show 1) How
Srila Prabhupada has been portrayed as a personality so weak, he "desired" to be murdered
by Tamal Krsna. 2) How Tamal Krsna depicted Srila Prabhupada as a soul so bereft of
transcendental understanding that he was willing to commit suicide; 3) How Tamal Krsna
actually admits the decision to allow Srila Prabhupada to live or die, lay with him
(Tamal Krsna); 4) How Tamal Krsna surreptitiously doctored the "poison conversations" in
an attempt to deflect suspicion from himself and render the facts obsolete; 5) How Tamal
Krsna deliberately misled readers by editing himself out from the "Ram will kill / Ravana
will kill" conversation in his book, 'TKG's Diary'. We also show excerpts from the taped
conversation between Satsvarupa and Tamal Krsna, in which Tamal Krsna says Srila
Prabhupada asked him (TK) to administer the poison.
PART THREE/ LETTERS OF CONCERN: Bhai Lal Patel, President of the National Federation of
Indian Associations- (NFIA). Ambarisa Das. Naveen Krsna Das. Gupta Das. Ameyatma Das.
APPENDIXES: For the first time, we present documents that have never been shown to the
public. Most do not even know they exist.
APPENDIX 1
BALAVANTA'S FORENSIC INVESTIGATION
REPORT TO THE GBC (VNN. 12TH FEB. 2000)
DR. J. STEPHEN MORRIS, Ph.D.
NUCLEAR ACTIVATION ANALYSIS
RICHARD T. CALLERY, M.D., F.C.A.P.
CHIEF EXAMINER
DIRECTOR, FORENSIC SCIENCE LABORATORY.
L. GOSWAMI
LABORATORY DIRECTOR
ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES & TESTING LABORATORY INC.
APPENDIX 2
OWL INVESTIGATIONS, INC.
THOMAS J. OWEN - PRESIDENT.
APPENDIX 3
INTERNATIONAL DETECTION SERVICES
STATEMENT: DAVID JAMES NEIL
APPENDIX 4
COMPUTER AUDIO ENGINEERING (C.A.E)
JOHN J. MITCHELL. OWNER/ENGINEER
SEGMENT REPORT- 1, 4 & PROCEDURE.
APPENDIX 5
HELEN A. McCAFFERY, Ph.D., CCC/A
SUMMARY REPORT
APPENDIX 6
CONVERSATION WITH FORENSIC EXAMINER
J. JACK MITCHELL/ NAVEEN KRISHNA DAS
APPENDIX 7
"CONVERSATIONS & WHISPERS" (TRANSLATIONS & FORENSIC)