Prabhupadanugas EU site and Sampradaya Sun; Same coin, flip side?

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The website Sampradya Sun is notorious for abuse of Truth by heavily censorring the articles such as to create a cohesive picture, in which only Rocana's asampradaic ideas receive any logical or uncessorred presentation; In exactly the same fashion, we find that the ideas of harmonists following Srila Prabhupada are not consistently given a fair voice at Prabhupadanuagas EU.

Obfuscation by innuendo, half truths, outright lies, terrible  abuses of innocnet  Vaisnavas, and philosophical deviations which are indulged in by the "trend-setters" there. Clearly, they have an agenda and are pushing it on the devotee communities worldwide, but is it actually the correct understanding of what Srila Prabhupada wanted? We suspect there is deviation involved which will destroy the extemist hard-ritivk movement from within, as desired by the globalist agenda. In fact, there is every chance that this NWO-like agneda will further weaken our movment suffering from the effects already of arsenic poisoning.

Now they are directly comparing me, for example, to Bhavananada and Kirtanananda etc ie trying to say we are child molestors ! This is the NWO agent Puranjana's program; he blasphemes and abuses Vaisnavas worldwide in a frenzied attempt to portray himself as some kind of Reformation God. The better to corral devotees minds, to control you.

Not all of course are this extreme, but the loud voices get the ear of the submissive undereducated sheeples. Thus, Prabhupadanugas emag has been largely hijacked by another class of rascal and cheat.

 https://www.youtube.com/v/GS-SOhoX-vU?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

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Lets see; quotes from Prabhupadanuga News staff; Premchand; "Tamohara is like Bhavanada and Kirtanananda"

Puranjana; "Tamoharadasa is a pedophlie because he supports Gour Govinda Swami "

Mahasana; refuses to print my articles and comments if they disprove their bogus "never again will there be a pure devotee" theory.

So the extent of their bogusness is to call simple devotees pedophiles when they cannot be defeated. This has been Pada/Puranjana's insanity, and now Prabhupadanuga policy, for too long now. ARE these people posibly part of a wider plan to divide and conquer the devotees?? Are we preceiving the influence of MK-Ultra, or another Globalist psy op, the same sort which poisoned Srila Prabhupada and then moved to seize the movement ? ? Their low brainwash moves and attempt to control public opinion by lying and censorring news is clear, and that they hide their names from the public in general is also obvious. Why do they hide?

So why the lying and control of freedom of speech ? The so-called freedom of speech at Prabhupadanuga News is a lie. They, just like the GBCs, want to corral your thinking into an artificial  black and white dichotomy; us versus them, and "us" is exactly as they define it,as they control , and your are supposed to accept their unelected and unuthorized dictates ??  This is called brainwashing and abuse; the very same crimes that the world elites and the Sampradaya Sun are guilty of.

Why is this news rag afraid of freedom of speech? Are their concocted policies undefendable?

If you visit b.i.f. site, managed by these same devotees, you will find that they are actively seeking to destroy Gauidya Vainavism with fallacies and poitical propaganda including blasphemy of Srilas Bhatkivinode, Bhaktisiddhatna, and Bhativedanta Swamis. Whyu does the Prabhupadanuga NEWS support and print anything said by these persons, yet claim to be followers of Srila Prabhupada? They are either also being used and duped, or are part of a wider plot to destroy Gaudiya Vaisnavism. Simply google "b.i.f. and read the first articles and you will see for yourselves. And who are these article producers? Mahasana, Puranjana, Sakshi, the first two of whom are Prabhupadanuga NEWS supporters. Sakshi has his name on a list of devotees ethread which includes the devotees menitoned above, so they are either suckering the devotees or the devotees are complicit in these attacks.

 

 

From: Sakshi <[e-mail]>
To: Tamohara dasa vanaprastha <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:40:00 PM
Subject: Re: crap shoot

Tomatohara... You are a nobody who wants to be a somebody but will never be an anybody.  Soon you will die alone and bitter in a trailer on the edge of town. 

 

There is no need for the CIA, NSA or any other outfit.   Why persist in giving your beggarly cult so much importance.  You were never more than pretenders now in self-destruct mode.  All BIF is doing is giving you a helping hand.  Please don't die before seeing what is about to happen to your bogus cult with its criminals and whack jobs, like you.

Tdasa; Your bif site is total lies. For example, you say Srila Bhaktivinode wrote Caitanya Caritamrta. everyone knows Krsna das Kaviraja wrote it, showing that you are a know nothing fool. In fact, you are surely an agent of the CIA whose job is to destroy Vaisnavism. Instead, you will yourslef soon be destroyed by your sins, mark my words.

From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
To: Sakshi <[e-mail]>; Shyamasundara dasa <[e-mail]>; charles dowson <[e-mail]>; Dgd <[e-mail]>; Aprakrita Prabhu. <[e-mail]>; Brahma Bhuta Prabhu <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; Gopinatha Acharya <[e-mail]>; Hare Krsna Movement <[e-mail]>; Kanhaiya Dasa <[e-mail]>; Madhud Visa <[e-mail]>; Madhuha Prabhu <[e-mail]>; Mahadhana Devi Dasi <[e-mail]>; Nandi Kesvara <[e-mail]>; Nityananda Rama <[e-mail]>; Parajota Devi Dasi <[e-mail]>; Prabhupada Nuga <[e-mail]>; Puranjan Dasa <[e-mail]>; Real new Kanea Dasa <[e-mail]>; Real Annuttama <[e-mail]>; RG Swami <[e-mail]>; Sri Mukunda <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; Tomohara Dasa <[e-mail]>; Ugresa New Geemail <[e-mail]>; Upadesamrta D.D. <[e-mail]>; Varaha Dasa <[e-mail]>; Visva Karma <[e-mail]>; Yasodanandan Prabhu Two <[e-mail]>; Ynd <[e-mail]>; cpd <[e-mail]>; Mpd <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Bangalore Festival for March 2012

Here is an example of the blasphemous materials spewing from b.i.f. and its supporters;

“When BIF members pointed out that ACBS had in fact produced a great body of literary work, we were reminded that the books were cult pressed and sold for donations on the street vis-a-vis manuscripts selected by publisher’s choice, marketed via reputed retail outlets, and winning acclaim in an open market by reader preference. Literally, ACBS’ works, in substance origin tone and intention, is under intense dissection even as we write. What readers will encounter in this post is a kindergarten version of what is to come. It is the hope and belief of those involved, that final results of research will manifest as a record for posterity rendering cults inoperable in Hindustan, if not on the planet.

Not only was the ten-point-plan for Indira Gandhi made irrelevant, ISKCON (even after displaying its ‘dancing white elephants,’) was denied the awe and reverence sought by ACBS. The new cult, and in spite of foreign involvement, was left in the wake of popularity and fame awarded to the Ram Krishna Mission in India. As explanation to what he perceived as injustice, ACBS persistently labeled the Ram Krishna Mission’s extremely popular leader a low-life. Here is one sample:

Prabhupada: Actually this Vivekananda rascal, what he has done? What is his contribution?

Tamala Krsna: You always add on “rascal” whenever you mention his name.

Prabhupada: No, no, what he has done? He has ruined the Vedic culture.

Hari-sauri: Completely misrepresented it.

Envious? Offensive? Inimical? Sahajya? Kanishta? Mayavad? ApaRadha? No. We are fully conversant and aware of these cult goons. In fact those who come in contact with cults are soon confronted by dark suited strictures with bulges under their armpits. What they protect is of no consequence to newcomers mesmerized by what is on offer, or until screams are heard from beyond the patrolled parameters. Then and only then, some, who have miraculously escaped the unreserved surrender/submissive demands, start fidgeting with possibilities of entrapment via deception. For victims wrapped up in cult gossamer, the prospect that their talents, individuality, intelligence, money, youth, contribution to nation, society, and those they love, is being cunningly siphoned off by mantra touting tarantulas, is inconceivable, unacceptable, devastating, immeasurable and indescribable, ergo easier to defend than confront.

Okay let’s peek outside the cult cocoon.

Did you know- 1) The Bhagavad Gita-”As it Is” has 700 verses, but the Bhagavad Gita “As it Was” has only 84 verses?

The Gita is based upon the Karika of Kapila. (Kapila lived (700 BC) 300 years before Vyas (400BC).

“The total number of versus of the original Gita is 84. The original begins with verse number 28 of the Bhagavadgita and ends with…”

concluding…
” To our readers who have persevered through this article- kudos. For BIF team contacts in Bengal, Gaudiyaism came as a big surprise. They had no idea the group even existed until running into the Gaudiya Mutt’s last stand- ISKCON. What will follow soon (hopefully) is a declaration of fallacies and abuses contained in ISKCON literature after meticulous investigation and research being completed by Bharat Ratna Scholars. We will post their finding here, if and when permitted.
In service to TRUTH, BIF ”

So devotees receiving and exchanging emails and supporting these demonic thugs; why ? - ED.

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From: Tamohara dasa vanaprastha <[e-mail]>
To: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>; Sakshi <[e-mail]>; Shyamasundara dasa <[e-mail]>; charles dowson <[e-mail]>; Dgd <[e-mail]>; Aprakrita Prabhu. <[e-mail]>; Brahma Bhuta Prabhu <[e-mail]>; "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>; Gopinatha Acharya <[e-mail]>; Hare Krsna Movement <[e-mail]>; Kanhaiya Dasa <[e-mail]>; Madhud Visa <[e-mail]>; Madhuha Prabhu <[e-mail]>; Mahadhana Devi Dasi <[e-mail]>; Nandi Kesvara <[e-mail]>; Nityananda Rama <[e-mail]>; Parajota Devi Dasi <[e-mail]>; Prabhupada Nuga <[e-mail]>; Puranjan Dasa <[e-mail]>; Real new Kanea Dasa <[e-mail]>; Real Annuttama <[e-mail]>; RG Swami <[e-mail]>; Sri Mukunda <[e-mail]>; "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>; Ugresa New Geemail <[e-mail]>; Upadesamrta D.D. <[e-mail]>; Varaha Dasa <[e-mail]>; Visva Karma <[e-mail]>; Yasodanandan Prabhu Two <[e-mail]>; Ynd <[e-mail]>; cpd <[e-mail]>; Mpd <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:17:01 AM
Subject: Re: important info re spies in our midst

A spy is in our midst and attacking devotees

  

I have received no reply as to why "Sakshi" is on an elist of our beloved and good devotees, when he says that his intent is to destroy Gaudiya Vaisnavism? I have received no thanks nor response either from Mahasana Prabhu nor RGSwami for letting them know that their interviews were used by this demon to try to attack Srila Prabhupada and our disciplic succession.

 

This Sakshi-asura  person says he has the ear of many important and rich politicians and ex GBC supporters in India. He told me he intends to destroy all Gaudiyas, as we are a bogus cult, and Srila Prabhupada is a cheater. He told the world in his articles that he wishes to send violent Hindu  groups to physically kill the devotees, and that he and his cronies have done so to others in India already.  The C.C. has already been banned in Gujarat,  as the poiticians say that it leads to criminal behaviors, and these demons claim credit for instigating that attack on Srila Prabhupada's books. You are associating with him, with them, at bif, and Prabhupadanuga NEWS almost daily.

 

By the way, both madman Puranjana, sycophant Premchand, and demoniac Sakshi now have all in unison declared me a pedophile; because I do not tolerate attacks on pure devotees such as Srila Gour Govinda Swami !! There has never ever been any sort of accusation of sexual improprieties, its ridiculous and criminally libellous.

 

This is their way of dealing with the exposure of their cheatings. This is the extent of their nasty intelligence and rascaldom. They are exposed and defeated, so like snakes they come out with total abuses of simple persons in order to sway your minds with their big lies, like nazis in Germany. How often have they used this same tactic to lie to us about Gour Govinda, and who knows how many others? Where there are liars and abusers of pure devotees, everything quickly goes to hell.

 

 Will you be part of this, or kindly take the necessary steps  to divorce these abusers and liars from all devotee association? If they can abuse a pure Vaisnava like GGS and call a simple dumb brahmana like me a child abuser in order to ruin my reputation and con you all, then what else have they not done already?  What lies have they told about Tamal, Bahavananada, and the other criminals, the better to draw us into their own visions ? There is no doubt at all of the poisoning, and abuses by the GBC demons, but these rascals PADA etc have totally made the waters muddy, such that the truth will never be known due to their lies and obfuscation. How can we beleive a word, when they are capable of such cheating? This is not good. Cheaters on both sides, equally as devious. They are playing us into the hands ot those who want to divide and conquer and destroy the devotional movement. The devotees are one, not ritivks versus GBC slaves. We must unite and throw off both GBC globalists goondas and blood sucking reactionaries trying to put the lies to our sampradaya.

 

 

SO WHY IS THIS DEMON'S NAME ON A THREAD LIST THAT GOES TO SO MANY NICE DEVOTEES ? WE ARE BEING CORRUPTED and taken advantage of by a great sinister movement FROM WITHIN. DONT BELIEVE ME ; GO READ AND FIND 0UT FOR YOURSELVES. I HAVE INCLUDED SOME QUOTES.

 

For those who cannot stomach such truths, my apologies for trying to warn you. First, here is the thread with the assasin Sakshi asura's name at the top of the list;

 

From: Sakshi [e-mail]

To: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>;Shyamasundara dasa <[e-mail]>; charles dowson <[e-mail]>; Dgd <[e-mail]>; Aprakrita Prabhu. <[e-mail]>; Brahma Bhuta Prabhu <[e-mail]>; "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>; Gopinatha Acharya <[e-mail]>; Hare Krsna Movement <[e-mail]>; Kanhaiya Dasa <[e-mail]>; Madhud Visa <[e-mail]>; Madhuha Prabhu <[e-mail]>; Mahadhana Devi Dasi <[e-mail]>; Nandi Kesvara <[e-mail]>; Nityananda Rama <[e-mail]>; Parajota Devi Dasi <[e-mail]>; Prabhupada Nuga <[e-mail]>; Puranjan Dasa <[e-mail]>; Real new Kanea Dasa <[e-mail]>; Real Annuttama <[e-mail]>; RG Swami <[e-mail]>; Sri Mukunda <[e-mail]>; "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>; Ugresa New Geemail <[e-mail]>; Upadesamrta D.D. <[e-mail]>; Varaha Dasa <[e-mail]>; Visva Karma <[e-mail]>; Yasodanandan Prabhu Two <[e-mail]>; Ynd <[e-mail]>; cpd <[e-mail]>; Mpd <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:33:32 PM
Subject: Re: Bangalore Festival for March 2012

Tamoharadasa on 27. November 2011 at 1:54 am said: 

 

  

 

 

“Sakshi” of b.i.f. ie [e-mail] said;

 

“Tomatohara… You are a nobody who wants to be a somebody but will never be an anybody. Soon you will die alone and bitter in a trailer on the edge of town.

There is no need for the CIA, NSA or any other outfit. Why persist in giving your beggarly cult (Gaudiyas) so much importance. You were never more than pretenders now in self-destruct mode. All BIF is doing is giving you a helping hand. Please don’t die before seeing what is about to happen to your bogus cult with its criminals and whack jobs, like you.”

 

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Tamoharadasa on 27. November 2011 at 2:12 am said:

Here is an example of the blasphemous materials spewing from b.i.f. and its supporters;

 

“When BIF members pointed out that ACBS had in fact produced a great body of literary work, we were reminded that the books were cult pressed and sold for donations on the street vis-a-vis manuscripts selected by publisher’s choice, marketed via reputed retail outlets, and winning acclaim in an open market by reader preference. Literally, ACBS’ works, in substance origin tone and intention, is under intense dissection even as we write. What readers will encounter in this post is a kindergarten A spie for Kali is in 0ur midst and attacking devotees; version of what is to come. It is the hope and belief of those involved, that final results of research will manifest as a record for posterity rendering cults inoperable in Hindustan, if not on the planet.

Not only was the ten-point-plan for Indira Gandhi made irrelevant, ISKCON (even after displaying its ‘dancing white elephants,’) was denied the awe and reverence sought by ACBS. The new cult, and in spite of foreign involvement, was left in the wake of popularity and fame awarded to the Ram Krishna Mission in India. As explanation to what he perceived as injustice, ACBS persistently labeled the Ram Krishna Mission’s extremely popular leader a low-life. Here is one sample:

Prabhupada: Actually this Vivekananda rascal, what he has done? What is his contribution?

Tamala Krsna: You always add on “rascal” whenever you mention his name.

Prabhupada: No, no, what he has done? He has ruined the Vedic culture.

Hari-sauri: Completely misrepresented it.

Envious? Offensive? Inimical? Sahajya? Kanishta? Mayavad? ApaRadha? No. We are fully conversant and aware of these cult goons. In fact those who come in contact with cults are soon confronted by dark suited strictures with bulges under their armpits. What they protect is of no consequence to newcomers mesmerized by what is on offer, or until screams are heard from beyond the patrolled parameters. Then and only then, some, who have miraculously escaped the unreserved surrender/submissive demands, start fidgeting with possibilities of entrapment via deception. For victims wrapped up in cult gossamer, the prospect that their talents, individuality, intelligence, money, youth, contribution to nation, society, and those they love, is being cunningly siphoned off by mantra touting tarantulas, is inconceivable, unacceptable, devastating, immeasurable and indescribable, ergo easier to defend than confront.

Okay let’s peek outside the cult cocoon.

Did you know- 1) The Bhagavad Gita-”As it Is” has 700 verses, but the Bhagavad Gita “As it Was” has only 84 verses?

The Gita is based upon the Karika of Kapila. (Kapila lived (700 BC) 300 years before Vyas (400BC).

“The total number of versus of the original Gita is 84. The original begins with verse number 28 of the Bhagavadgita and ends with…”

concluding…
” To our readers who have persevered through this article- kudos. For BIF team contacts in Bengal, Gaudiyaism came as a big surprise. They had no idea the group even existed until running into the Gaudiya Mutt’s last stand- ISKCON. What will follow soon (hopefully) is a declaration of fallacies and abuses contained in ISKCON literature after meticulous investigation and research being completed by Bharat Ratna Scholars. We will post their finding here, if and when permitted.
In service to TRUTH, BIF ”

 

So devotees supporting these demonic thugs; why ?

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Premchand dasa on 29. November 2011 at 6:47 pm said:

 

 

Ed. Re, one of my comments censorred out as usual, Tamoharadasa; said in it, but the editor forgot that he removed it , yet still quoted me;

 

“I am not a Ritvik, whoever you are, are we supposed to guess? I am a harmonist ; simple Prabhupadanuga; we simply follow Srila Prabhupada, so why should we object to other pure devotees?”

Weird statement. “Not a ritvik” – but following Prabhupada who never ordered anyone to be the next acarya. This is not exactly the understanding of all those new Prabhupada disciples who recently got initiated.

They believe that Prabhupada is their guru and that Prabhupada is the current link of the Brahma-Madhava-Gaudiya Sampradaya. “I am not a Ritvik”, usually we hear such “wisdom” from JPS, Bhavananda, Kirtananda, etc etc., those who teach to take the risk of getting initiated by someone who is not properly authorized to officiate as bona fide diksa-guru.

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• Tamoharadasa on 29. November 2011 at 7:20 pm said:
  
  

  Re Your critcism of Gour Govinda Swami;  Did Prabhupada not say that those who were qualified could accept disciples? So?

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Premchand das on 29. November 2011 at 7:46 pm said:

 

Aside from the qualification, Srila Prabhupada also taught that specific authorisation from the predecessor acarya was also essential before anyone could act as a diksa guru:

“On the whole, you may know that he is not a liberated person, and therefore, he cannot initiate any person to Krishna Consciousness. It requires special spiritual benediction from higher authorities.” (Srila Prabhupada Letter to Janardana, 26/4/68)

“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorised by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksa-vidhana.” (S.B. 4.8.54, purport)

Thus, according to Srila Prabhupada, one can only become a diksa guru when both the qualification and authorisation are in place. Srila Prabhupada had not authorised any such gurus, nor had he stated that any of his disciples were qualified to initiate. Rather, just prior to July 9th, he agreed that they were still “conditioned souls”, and that vigilance was essential lest persons pose themselves as guru.

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dusyanta dasa on 30. November 2011 at 1:04 pm said:

 

Hare Krishna.
Its interesting how the quote from S.Bhagavatam 4.8.54. has been used out of context and only in a literal way as if we are going to discover some document or transcription that shows who is “authorised”. What do we expect to find?
Authorisation simple means empowered.
Which disciple is not empowered by his Spiritual master?
The “ritvik” interpretation of the word “authorised” is they expect some evidence somewhere, as if it were written down as a sacred text.And the “ritvik” explanation and definition of the word “authorised” is just their way of disproving that Iskcon Gurus are not “authorised”.
But that is just their way of looking at the issue.
If we change that perspective of understanding the word “authorised” to mean empowered,which is a dictionary definition, then we all know that at the time of Initiation ALL disciples are empowered-but that still does not explain the conclusion-the conclusion is if we are ALL empowered by the Spiritual Master at Initiation then which disciple is fully surrendered to the instruction and will of the Spiritual master,He is the next Spiritual Master in Disciplic Succession.The time gap may be astronomical or it may be no time but that is the next disciple whom is empowered and fully surrendered-He may be in iskcon- He may not be in Iskcon.
I dont agree with premachand prabhus conclusion, because i think the authorisation is eternally in place but who is prepared to follow 100%,thats the real point. The evidence from S.Bhagavatam 4.8.54 in no way excludes disciples but includes disciples eternally

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From: prabhupadanugas.eu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: important info re spies in our midst
To: "B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)" <[e-mail]>
Cc: "Tamohara dasa vanaprastha" <[e-mail]>, "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, "Sakshi" <[e-mail]>, "Shyamasundara dasa" <[e-mail]>, "charles dowson" <[e-mail]>, "Dgd" <[e-mail]>, "Aprakrita Prabhu." <[e-mail]>, "Brahma Bhuta Prabhu" <[e-mail]>, "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, "Gopinatha Acharya" <[e-mail]>, "Hare Krsna Movement" <[e-mail]>, "Kanhaiya Dasa" <[e-mail]>, "Madhud Visa" <[e-mail]>, "Madhuha Prabhu" <[e-mail]>, "Mahadhana Devi Dasi" <[e-mail]>, "Nandi Kesvara" <[e-mail]>, "Nityananda Rama" <[e-mail]>, "Parajota Devi Dasi" <[e-mail]>, "Puranjan Dasa" <[e-mail]>, "Real new Kanea Dasa" <[e-mail]>, "Real Annuttama" <[e-mail]>, "Sri Mukunda" <[e-mail]>, "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, "Ugresa New Geemail" <[e-mail]>, "Upadesamrta D.D." <[e-mail]>, "Varaha Dasa" <[e-mail]>, "Visva Karma" <[e-mail]>, "Yasodanandan Prabhu Two" <[e-mail]>, "Ynd" <[e-mail]>, "cpd" <[e-mail]>, "Mpd" <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011, 1:50 AM

Hare Krsna Prabhus,

 

All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO.

 

At prabhupadanugas.eu we are receiving since quite some time comments from HG Tamohara dasa Vanaprastha stating, see excerpts below, ritviks are demons, and those who don't accept Gour Govinda Maharaja Thakura as pure Vaishnava acarya are demons as well  (PADA: Gour Govinda Swami, voted in as guru in 1986, which was the time the GBC reinstated Bhavananda).
 
Since we have daily 10,000 clicks/readers, we cannot post topics for everyone to read what rather has to be discussed at Isthagostis among Prabhupadanugas. We apologize for any inconvenience. Additionally meanwhile it is known that to discuss complex topics on the internet is not easily leading to the desired result. Rathr what is required, well written articles like Prabhupada showed us in his BTG magazine.

 

When HG Tamohara dasa Vanaprastha finds out that his comments are not posted he gets more and more upset calling us de facto also, demons. Although basically all 5000 articles are based on Prabhupada quotes.

 

Lately so many new devotees receive initiation as Prabhupada disciples, according HG Tamohara dasa Vanaprastha, are these also demons?

Why then HG Tamohara dasa Vanaprastha doesnt send his writings to Rocana - Rocana heartily welcomes anti-Ritviks?

 

Instead many Prabhupadanuga websites overhasty go public with headlines like, "Is Bhaktivedanta Investigation Force (BIF) demoniac?",  "Naara Narayana/Roupa Manjari dd . - real demons?", "New rumors that child abuse is out of control at Krishna Balaram Mandir?"

 

Topics which confirm ISKCONites to stick to their voted in gurus and topics which make newcomers to turn away from Prabhupada.

 

HH Radha Govinda Swami also stopped sending articles since months because she figures that prabhupadanugas.eu is ritvik?

 

In any case, if lately the majority of Prabhupadanugas has come to that conclusion to reject ritvik and promote the living guru doctrine, please keep us updated.

 

Obeisances, hoping this meets you in Prabhupada/Radha Krsna remembrance and best health as is possible!

 

your servant,
 
Gopesh dasa 

 

 

Radha Govinda Swami's Reply;

 

Hare Krsna Gopesh prabhu,

All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

You wrote, "HH Radha Govinda Swami also stopped sending articles since months because she figures that prabhupadanugas.eu is ritvik?"

Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami has known since she was made aware of the site, that Prabhupadauga.Eu accepts the ritvik conclusion, and she submitted articles in full knowledge of this. (So why this question?) Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami will write and submit something to a website, regardless of what their conclusion is, if she is physically able to write something, and wants to submit something to a particular website.Unless my writings are appearing elsewhere that I have no awareness of, I've only submitted articles to VNN, SS, and Prabhupada...Eu. Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami hardly knows anything about the internet, websites, etc., and mainly uses the internet to do free counseling through emailing (though at times she renders this service through phone and in person), and does some personal emailing. Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami has taken time to write things previously, mainly when some devotee directed her to some particular article on SS, and Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami decided to write something in response. Devotees were mainly directing Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami to articles on the SS website, which they sent the link to my through their email. As explained, I rarely go to ANY website - devotee or otherwise.

Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami had practically no access to a computer from July 2010 till March 2011. Besides over 30 years of having to deal with respiratory problems resulting from major internal damage to the chest and diaphram, (including punctured heart and left lung), and these so many years of dealing with spinal and related problems giving extreme pain (which no pain medications have had any effect on - including medications that are given to cancer patients, in terms of giving any reduction to the pain and related problems) from pinched nerves throughout the spine (from the neck through to the coccyx), related disk, 24/7 muscle spasms etc., since April of 2011, Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami has been in and out of the hospital because of exacerbated respiratory problems, including Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension, with other respiratory problems, (and is on oxygen). Her (Hellishness) Radha Govinda Swami is also dealing with Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (also known as Complex Regional Pain Syndrome). (I think I've bored devotees here with enough explanation, but since you sent this statement to everyone on the list, I'm sending my reply of explanation as to why I haven't been writing any articles.)

 

As it has been taking me between 15 to 20 minutes to chant one round (since this respiratory difficulty has become so much more exacerbated), and I chant more than 16 rounds, I haven't had time to do much more of anything other than chant my japa, do the free counseling that I do, and a little personal emailing.

I hope this is alright with you. Pretty amazing how so many of us have come to the point of feeling it's for us to be directly or indirectly telling someone else what they "should" (or shouldn't) be doing. When someone becomes spiritually qualified, like Srila Prabhupada - in terms of (pure spiritual) motive for giving instruction to me, then I may consider what you're saying. Otherwise, better I watch out for my own spiritual life. (Thank you).

I hope all is going well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love,

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda

Hare Krsna

 

 

 

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Also posted on the above thread;

Tamoharadas reply;

gopesh ; So how long have you been in this movement, that you tell lies and correct sannyasis? You are much like the rest of 'em; your shoes have risen to a positio where other's head are. You now tell loud lies publicly about good pure devotees, but you dont even know the basic philosophy. What the leaders do, the followers also do. So apparently you're being led by liars and aparadhis. Krsna will take care of you, no doubt. If I ever catch  you abusing Radha Govinda Swami, I'll kick your head with shoes. If this is what the ritivk movement has produced, then the devotees on this thread had best look carefully at the insane cultists you are creating. I follow Srila Prabhupada only, we are the real "ritviks", the ninety per cent.

 

Why was Saskis name still on this list? You are complicit with his printing and encouraging criticisms of Srila Prabhupada and claiming they will destroy the  bogus cult of Gaudiya Vasinavas? He prints articles saying Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was a cheater and a cultist, and not bonafide. If you associate with this demon, then you are subect to his unforgiveable sins. What are you people anyway ? And you associate with this Gopesh who instructs and insults and lies about faultless sannyasis???

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Hare Krsna Tamohara prabhu,

All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

My personal understanding of everything that has happened, and whatever is happening (and will happen), is simply to show us where (to Whom) our FULL faith is to be placed; in Srila Prabhupada. 

He knows our hearts, and based on this factor, Srila Prabhupada will make the perfect arrangement (in conjunction with Krsna) what will be best for us based on how we've tried to surrender to and serve Him despite all the insanity along the way.

We know that Srila Prabhupada is FULLY SANE regardless of wherever anyone else is or isn't at, and THIS is our SAVING GRACE!!!

Thus, I support Srila Prabhupada, and He is FULLY (supporting) holding me up. If it wasn't for Srila Prabhupada, I have NO idea how I would have ever made it through the INsanity of ISKCON... (on all levels).

I hope all is going well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love,

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda

Hare Krsna

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Dear Radha Govinda Swami ; Thank you very much for your prompt reply. How are you? Yes, I thought somehow the first transmission did not go out , and as i am not computor expert, thought to resend. Anyway, the info is out, and i thank you for your as ever thoughtful and pukka response and input. Seeing as your name was there, now it is clarified that you do not necessarily support the opinions or actions by the site owners (b.i.f.). Now it is clear for all, thank you.

 

I humbly advise that these rascals will take anything in your talking to them and publish it publicly after twisting it and outright adding or subtracting, it is so devious a thing.

 

Obesiances.  Hoping this meets you in Radha Krsna remembrance and best health as is possible.

Your servant

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Thursday, December 1, 2011

Tamohara attacks ritviks update

Hare Krsna Prabhus,

All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO.

At prabhupadanugas.eu we are receiving since quite some time comments from HG Tamohara dasa Vanaprastha stating, see excerpts below, ritviks are demons, and those who don't accept Gour Govinda Maharaja Thakura as pure Vaishnava acarya are demons as well  (PADA: Gour Govinda Swami, voted in as guru in 1986, which was the time the GBC reinstated Bhavananda).
 
Since we have daily 10,000 clicks/readers, we cannot post topics for everyone to read what rather has to be discussed at Isthagostis among Prabhupadanugas. We apologize for any inconvenience. Additionally meanwhile it is known that to discuss complex topics on the internet is not easily leading to the desired result. Rathr what is required, well written articles like Prabhupada showed us in his BTG magazine.

When HG Tamohara dasa Vanaprastha finds out that his comments are not posted he gets more and more upset calling us de facto also, demons. Although basically all 5000 articles are based on Prabhupada quotes.

Lately so many new devotees receive initiation as Prabhupada disciples, according HG Tamohara dasa Vanaprastha, are these also demons?

Why then HG Tamohara dasa Vanaprastha doesnt send his writings to Rocana - Rocana heartily welcomes anti-Ritviks?

Instead many Prabhupadanuga websites overhasty go public with headlines like, "Is Bhaktivedanta Investigation Force (BIF) demoniac?",  "Naara Narayana/Roupa Manjari dd . - real demons?", "New rumors that child abuse is out of control at Krishna Balaram Mandir?"

Topics which confirm ISKCONites to stick to their voted in gurus and topics which make newcomers to turn away from Prabhupada.

HH Radha Govinda Swami also stopped sending articles since months because she figures that prabhupadanugas.eu is ritvik?

In any case, if lately the majority of Prabhupadanugas has come to that conclusion to reject ritvik and promote the living guru doctrine, please keep us updated.

Obeisances, hoping this meets you in Prabhupada/Radha Krsna remembrance and best health as is possible!

your servant,
 
Gopesh dasa 

Posted by krishna1008 at 7:11 AM

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3 comments:

Tamoharadasasaid...

Haha! Such varieties among the devotees.

My reply? Its all madness. Wont you guys ever grow up and get a life preaching instead? This letter is total hogwash.

And yes, the hard ritviks like Pada and Sakshi and etc., as well as the GBC goonda sampradaya are many of them dichotomy-pushing madmen, who want you corraled into their control by dint of their doctrinesa and practices, such that the devotees become trapped and cultists.
Just witness the above letter as a good example of this.

They try to split us into armed camps hating each other. That is not Srila Prabhupada's program. We are the ninety percent, we are followers of Srila Prabhupada who do not go along with insulting and rejecting all other pure devotees eternally, such as HSDG Srila Gour Govinda Swami Thakura, nor have we sold out to globalist interests like the Goonda-boys club.

We just initiated eight solid new Srila Prabhupada disciples, via our devotee sanga site, via our elected three temple co- presidents there, all Prabhupada disciples. So we are not ritviks?

We are among the real ritvik priests following Srila Prabhupada, same as Bangalore, except we do not reject other pure devotees, nor do we follow in line from Jaypataka asura.

The lies these hard ritivks tell are just astounding! I dont know who gopesh is, but lotsa luck with that mentality. As the great men do, apparently the followers do likewise. So what sort of persons are you following, and where are you going?

Hare Krishna. wishing all the very best; service of Srila Prabhupada without politics and deviations. stand up to and reject the hard-ritviks and the political GBC, and embrace Srila Prabhupada's service only, forever. Obeisances.

December 2, 2011 7:51 AM

krishna1008said...

Dear Tamohara, you say WE just initiated people by the ritvik process? What program are you talking about? Why are you relectant to tell us whose program you are part of? This appears to be a big bluff with no substance so far ....

Where is your temple and what is your ritvik program, and why are you not mentioning it? At least we mention that we have temples and we have one here in Sunnyvale, where are these initiations conducted and etc.? You forgot to tell us?

Anyway, if you are using the ritvik system that means you have totally rejected Gaura Govinda maharaja, who told me the ritviks system is bogus. He said to me there is no living person in my preaching idea, of course he is such a fool he forgot that I am living as are all our thousands of co-Prabhupadanugas, and the irony is, he is now the dead person in all this? What a fool, he told me essentially, "you Puranjana are dead," and then it turns out, he is dead! What kind of nonsense is that? And Gaurahari says that GGM had a photo of an Orissa guru on his altar, and that guru grabbed his wife's breasts and was fondling her when Gaurahari went to visit this man. What kind of gurus are GGM promoting here?

So anyway now you are a ritvik, so you are joining with us, bravo! Incidentally, most of the follower of Gaura Govinda maharaja that were writing me in the past all ran off to Narayana Maharaja as soon as GGM passed away, please read the article about the Gopi Bhava and child molester club that was going on when NM was supporting GGM's wonderful GBC, and in fact, our report says that club is still going on today. And lest we forget in 1993 when the GBC wanted to remove the leader of the molester messiahs club, gopi bhava club, ok Tamal, it was GGM who stood up and said, he has to stay, yes if there is one thing GGM loves it is child molester messiahs programs, and he demanded they keep that process going in 1993, since he loves them. ys pd

 

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Tamoharadasasaid...

Whoever is krishna1008; hare krsna. Obeisances, I suppose?

Oh? You want me to advertise here? I assumed that considering the uninformed nature of your post that you would be reluctant.

There are 185 current lovely members of our internet sanga temple, and of them, most are vanaprasthas and householders, with five senior sannyasis including Trivikrama Swami, Bhagavat Maharajah, Avadhoota Swami, Radha Govinda Swami, and others, in several langauges including Hungarian, but there are three elected temple presidents, whom make all recommendations for first and second initiations to date. We also have an Associates and Bhakti sastri program with a variety of wonderful brahamanas cycling through. All free. I am editor servant there. We also associate with a few but eager and intelligent brahmacaries among our forwards thinking and courageous members. We are all pure followers of Srila Prabhupada, we follow no one else not even any big big gooroos. Maybe one or two there do in some degree, but no one is allowed to advertise anyone but Srila Prabhupada onsite.

so far, we are not afraid of diversity and variances of charactewr and opinion and feedom of speech and the realities of the modern world, NWO etc as Srila Prabhupada prophetically described as "the Great Sinister Movement, even within our Movement."

i cannot speak for everybody there, just in general. Brahmanas are notoriuosly anarchical.so we have fun, we are not attacking anything but Maya, mostly. We do not play a big game of attacking innocents as do some here and there among the devotee sites. There is nio need for that so much these days, but more for loving unification. Anyway, whatever, we just do our service. Nobody cans stop it unless Krshna wills. Second initiaions are also available with Prabhupada speaking Sri Gayatri for those whom are reecommended for same, by at least one or thre site brahamans and a discussion about the candidate. etc.no charge still.

What makes you think, please, that any of us care for or use whatever it is you imagine, sir, is the "ritivik system'? We just do as orderded to do by Srila Prabhupada. Many of us feel no allegiance to the current zealots called "Ritivks", an abusive swear word invented by Rocana et al, i suspect. You can keep your made up camp-names and extremist politics.

The rest of what you say is quite amusing, really as you are quite uninformed but talkative. I myself joined Srila Prabhupada, who IS Iskcon, in 1972, but many older Godbrothers joined much earlier than that. Many of our members are members of other sites as well. I shaved up at age 18 in '72, and was temple pres of Bhubaneswara in 1977-1980. Now, i am a retired professional audiologist, disabled, but not in spirit to serve Srila Prabhupada.

PS what you say about GGS is second hand lies from PADA's imaginings, not even first hand Haribol.

PPS Our site is for members only. Somehow I dont think you would be coming wth the harmonious love that we enjoy there. Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON.

December 2, 2011 9:40 AM

Tamoharadasasaid...

Is pd same as Puranjana same as PADA? God, how many fake names have you got, prabhu?

December 2, 2011 9:50 AM

krishna1008said...

Dear Tamohara, Oh so you are working with the Gaudiya Matha's sannyasas, the people who supported the NM gopi rasika club which was molesting thousands of children?

And then after the molesting was exposed, NM simply waved his hands and said, so what, who cares, too bad, we screwed all these kids by making them worship molesters, so what, these children are just getting their karma, because NM is authorized to cram molester acharyas down the throats of these children?

Who authorized you folks to have thousands of children molested so you could dish out karma to them? Are you authorized to give bad karma to children? Are you Yamaraja's boss?

Currently the Narayana Maharaja sannyasas are fighting with one another over who has the biggest padas? Well my PADA is bigger than theirs because now they are surrendering to the ritvik idea!

Trivrikrama swami? If he is the original Prabhupada disciple, he was voted in as guru at the recoronation of Bhavananda, and his reform party excommunicated me and Sulochana at that time, so they could keep their molester messiah Kirtanananda in the post of Jagat guru, of course this resulted in the murder of Sulochana and had the FBI not come to my aid, Trivrikrama's plan would have had me executed too.

These are the people you are working with?

In any case, if they became ritviks, that means we won, they finally surrendered to what we said all along. As for GGM, he had a photo of a bogus guru on his altar and so Gaurahari went to visit this guru at GGM's recommendation, and the guru was putting his hands on GH's wife.

As for me meeting GGM, this is not imagination, he told me he is working with the GBC gurus, and he also told me he knows they are making homosexual pedophiles into acharyas, so he admitted to me direct, he is "cooperating, tolerating and working with" ... the molester messiahs programs. Isn't the worship of homosexual pedophiles as Vishnupada the "extremist" program, which was supported by NM, GGM et al?

You have a members only program, so this is the problem, you cannot answere any of our questions, which is why NM cancelled my meeting four times and left the property after ten hours without seeing me, you cannot answer even one of my questions, so you have to flee the property like NM does. ys pd

ys pd

December 2, 2011 9:59 AM

Tamoharadasasaid...

I once had a friend in Vancouver named Robert Loblaw. We called him Bob. Bob Loblaw.



PS Like I said, we have temple presidents who are all SP disciples, they make all recommendations. These Sannyasis are site members, they do not play control freak politics. But you are a career fault finder and abusers of other devotees just as i described, no gods, like persons of your type like to create, false gods before us, you only think in terms of controlling the abused devotee sheeples and forcing your lying brainwash and pushing your political agendas. The more you talk, sir, the more you expose your mentality. We do not reject our Godbrothers for in times of trouble seking shelter elsewhere. We did not do that, but unlike you, we do not hate them and reject them, you are some eltist abuser of Vaisnavas.

I reject it totally.
I will not talk with you any further here. This is your den of thieves, Ali-PADA and the Forty Thieves.

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People can want and call for change, but unless we know and will live, - and have leaders who know, teach and live - according to the peace formula (BG 5.29), then there will be some form of manipulation, exploitation/abuse.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love,

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda

Hare Krsna