Waldemar says:
Hari bol!
Wielu zwolenników Prabhupada pisze na prabhupadanugas.eu, że został On otruty przez swoich uczniów.
Co jest chwalebnego dla czystego wielbiciela Kryszny, w byciu otrutym przez swoich uczniów?
Jeżeli rzeczywiście tak było, w jakim świetle stawia to Krysznę, jako obrońcę swoich bhaktów?
Gdzie szukać w takiej sytuacji, motywacji do zostania sługą Prabhupada i Kryszny?
Waldemar
Hari bol!
Many supporters of prabhupadanugas.eu say that Prabhupada was poisoned by his own disciples.
What is the glory of a pure devotee of Krishna in being poisoned by his own students?
If this were the case what about Krishna as protector of His devotees?
Where to look for in such a situation to get the motivation to become a servant of Prabhupada and Krishna ?
Waldemar
Dear Waldemar; We cannot improve things by denying they happened, thats for sure. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see what is in front of them. I humbly suggest the poisoning was part of a larger world-wide plot out of the CIA etc to keep opposition to worldwide globalist /NWO/Illuminati interests at bay. They cannot tolerate truth or spiritual knowedge outing, as this might end their hegemony over the “shombies” (sheep plus zombies!) they have systematically engineered by social controls, including chemical poisoning and mind control methods. We were perceived as spiritually potent, enough so to change the face of the earth. Leading American poititcians of the times expressed concerns that we might take over the government!
I regularly document all this and express some of it at my internet sites, both at Youtube and Ning networks. Among the devotees in general, some are very interested, while most others have not looked at the facts and are left bewildered.
USA’s Operation Monarch was in play at that time, specifically designed for just such situations, in which the US secret agents attempted to defame, infiltrate, and destroy from within such groups as the Black Panthers, the Hippies, Weathermen, Black Muslims, and other religious and social reform movements of the day. Manipulation of the media, the legal system, spying, illegal acts, brainwashing, mind control, sex slavery, use of mind altering drugs and Manchurian-candidate experiments, were all part of the program. The horrendous LSD mind-control experiments at Cornell university on innocent test subjects is just one example of the nefarious demonic activites, so they had no morals restrictions, no sense of right and wrong whatsoever.
For example of such agents within Iskcon of the time, Adi Kesava Swami, Angus Murphy, has been implicated and it has been demonstrated that he and his family were/are long-time CIA agents. Similarly, Bhavananda and other bogus gurus associated heavily with rich elites, such as the Fords, the Warhols, and other NWO-connected homosexual or elitist persons, make me suspect that the Srila Prabhupada murder plot arose from within that association.
Srila Prabhupada warned us of the Great Sinister Movement, told us that a handful of demonically-minded persons ran the earth planet. The insincere greedy so-called followers such as the eleven were revealed to us all as agents of Maya by this crime. But most of us are too naive to understand, though that understanding is on the increase now. This is a wake up call to us all. The whole planet can be relieved of distress due to the activities of the demons if we recognize them and concertedly reveal the truth to others and push on the sankirtana movement to defeat Maya.
Srila Bhakitsiddhanta Saraswati, the spiritual master of our Srila Prabhupada, was likely also poisoned. At the end, he threw plates they brought him on the floor and refused to eat. Gour Govinda Swami may also have been poisoned. The world’s people are currently being systematically poisoned by radiation, fluoride, aspartame, neotame, MSG, vaccines, pharmaceuticals, GMO frankenfoods, artificial viruses and bacteria; their whole obsession is around killing us off young as possible in order to reduce resistance to world take-over by the elitists. Centralization of authority, corporate hostility, egotism and elitism, fascism, abuse of underlings, mind control, sexual deviance, lying ; the same signatures of the elitists are the daily affairs of the usurpers.
Srila Prabhupada predicted his poisoning years before it happened. He was discussing how as a child his mother would have men hold him while she forced medecine down his throat. The devotees asked if they should do the same, and he replied, “Then they will kill me”, and looking very sober, hung his head down a little.
We do not understand Krsna’s plans, but Srila Prabhupada did, just as Jesus knew, or so it is said. We can act by our God-given intelligence to further the instructions given to us, and try to uproot the agents of evil masquerading as saints.
Our lessons is not to be manipulated by poseurs, not to be naive, not to be fooled again.
We must be independently thoughtful as Srila Prabhupada instructed, not mind controlled unthinking dupes and cultists controlled by criminals and wannabe rock stars. We need to understand what is a bonafide guru, and give up all support of the demonic cult Paundraka is-a-con, like the Paundraka demon calling himself Lord Sri Vishnu.
Waldemar says:Hari bol !
Śri Caitanya-Bhagavata:
Madhya-Lila 19.213
Madhya-Lila 19.214
Madhya-Lila 19.209
Madhya-Lila 19.210
Jak to wszystko pogodzić?
How do I reconcile all this?
Waldemar
Srila Prabhupada did not translate the Caitanya Bhagavata. I have a translation by Srila B.V. Puri’s men only, it does not have verse numbers. I dare to suggest that there is part of the problem in understanding. Perhaps just read Srila Prabhupada’s books and purports only, instead, and everything will be simpler and clear? Reading Is-a-con books will only deceive.
Meanwhile, Waldemar Prabhu, could you please describe your question, or position , so we can perhaps understand? Hare Krsna.
Waldemar says:Hari bol !
W Śri Caitanya Bhagavata, Śrila Vrndavana Das Thakura zapisał kilka stwierdzeń Śri Caitanyi Mahaprabhu o popełnianiu obraz wobec wielbicieli Vaisnava Śri Kryszny:
Wznosząc swe ramiona Śri Gauranga o złotej skórze obwieścił całemu światu:
Madhya-Lila 19.213 i 19.214:
“Porzucając wszelki krytycyzm wobec innych, niech każdy intonuje imiona Śri Kryszny. Osobiście wyzwolę każdą osobę unikającą krytykowania innych, jeżeli choć raz zaintonuję “Krsna”! Przyrzekam, że jest to prawdą.”
Madhya-Lila 19.209:
“Moje święte imię jest drzewem Kalpa Vriksza i zniszczy każdą osobę, jeżeli choć raz obrazi Mojego sługę.”
Madhya-Lila 19.210:
“Żywe istoty zamieszkujące niezliczone wszechświaty są moimi sługami. Dlatego, każda osoba czyniąca krzywdę innej, zginie:
Jak pogodzić to, co mówi Śri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, z tym co się dzieje na całym świecie, i między zwolennikami Śrila Prabhupada a zwolennikami Iskonu?
Waldemar
Hari bol!
The Sri Caitanya Bhagavata, Srila Vrndavana Das Thakur wrote several statements of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu about committing the image to the Vaishnava devotees of Sri Krishna:
Raising his arms to Sri Gauranga golden skin, he announced to the world:
Madhya-Lila 19.213 and 19.214:
“Abandoning any criticism of others, let everyone chants the names of Sri Krishna. Personally, I find liberation avoids any criticism of others, if you have ever starts a” Krishna! “I promise that this is true.”
Madhya-Lila 19.209:
“My holy name is the Kalpa tree Vriksza and destroy any person if at least once offended my servant.”
Madhya-Lila 19.210:
“Living beings inhabiting the innumerable universes are my servants. Therefore, any person place whereby harm to another, shall perish:
How to reconcile what he says Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, with what is happening around the world, and between supporters and followers of Srila Prabhupada Iskonu?
Waldemar
You are quite right, Waldemar, if I understand you rightly. We must further Srila Prabhupada’s sankirtana movement nicely, not with infighting and the like. We do not want that.
But they do not cooperate, the usurpers’ club and their criminal gangs. They physically attacked us! They still do so at Bangalore etc. even as we speak! They murdered our Godbrothers, gang raped children and other brahmacaris in their CBC aprroved homosex clubs, and stole everything, kicking any real disciples of Srila Prabhupada who resist their criminal activites out, despite lives dedicated to the temples . Where have you been, Baba?
The poisoners should immediately step down, or be ousted and imprisoned for their crimes. The GBCs poisoned Srila Prabhupada, it is a known fact among them that they do not share with those who do not need to know, like us. They have otherwise abused so many Vaisnavas, it is amazing, and it began with their initial offense of envying the spiritual master.
As Parivrjakacaryas, not Paramahamsas, it is our duty to resist Maya and evil, as made clear in our mission by our spiritual master. We serve Godhead and the advanced devotees, make friends with other devotees, and are merciful to and protect the innocents, avoiding the envious or fighting them when necessary to protect the Vaisnavas and the innocents.
Even within ranks, saffron robs do not make necessarily make for a pure heart, so the same rules apply within the temple walls as apply to the rest of the world ;
Srila Prabhupada; There is two mission: not only to give protection to the devotees, but also to kill the demons. To kill the demons, that is one side. So the devotees of Krishna should be trained up both ways: not only to give protection to the devotees, to give them encouragement, but if need be, they should be prepared to kill the demons. That is Vaisnavism. It is not cowardism. It is not cowardism. When need be. [Bhagavad-Gita Lecture 1.7 July 11 1973]
“…in His army, to win the war with Maya and establish Krishna Consciousness as the perfect way of life for every living entity.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 15/11/1971)
“And as soon as he learns the Guru Maharaja is dead, “Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.” Then he’s finished.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, August 16th,1976)
Letter to Giriraja”The fact is that I am the only one in India who is openly criticizing, not only demigod worship and impersonalism, but everything that falls short of complete surrender to Krishna. My Guru Maharaja never compromised in His preaching, nor will I nor should any of my students. We are firmly convinced that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and all other are His part and parcel servants. This we must declare boldly to the whole world, that they should not foolishly dream of world peace unless they are prepared to surrender fully to Krishna as Supreme Lord.”
GBC History in Anecdotes;
In a July 9, 1971 letter to Umapati Das, Srila Prabhupada wrote:
“GBC members are simply to see that things are going on. Other centers have got president, secretary, etc. and they are managing separately. That is the formula. So how is it that the GBC are the final authority? They are simply to examine that things are going on nicely, that is all.”
“GBC men should not dictate very much, simply supervise and see that the standards are maintained.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, February 14th, 1972)
“What will happen when I am not here, shall everything be spoiled by GBC? So for the time being, let the GBC activities be suspended until I thoroughly revise the whole procedure.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, April 11th, 1972)
“I made the GBC to give me relief, but if you do like this, then where is the relief. It is anxiety for me. This is the difficulty, that as soon as one gets power, he becomes whimsical and spoils everything.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, September 12th, 1974 )
“I am training some of my experienced disciples how to manage after my departure. So if instead of taking the training, if in my lifetime you people say I am the Lord of all I survey, that is dangerous conspiracy.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, October 8th, 1974)
“But the difficulty is that our GBC men are falling victim to maya. Today I trust this GBC and tomorrow he will fall down. That is the difficulty. If the GBC men are so flickering then what to speak of the others. Unless this problem is solved whatever we may resolve it will not be very useful. “
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 16th, 1974)
“The GBC should all be the instructor (siksa) gurus. I am the initiator (diksa) guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.”(Srila Prabhupada Letter, August 4th, 1975)
“The GBC (Governing Body Commission) has been established by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to represent Him in carrying out the responsibility of managing the International Society for Krishna Consciousness of which He is the Founder-Acarya and supreme authority. The GBC accepts as its life and soul His divine instructions and recognizes that it is completely dependent on His mercy in all respects. The GBC has no other function or purpose other than to execute the instructions so kindly given by His Divine Grace and preserve and spread his Teachings to the world in their pure form.”;(GBC Resolution No.1, 1975)
“Now has the GBC become more than Guru Maharaja? As if simply GBC is meant for looking after pounds, shilling, pence. The GBC does not look after spiritual life. That is a defect.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, November 10th, 1975)
“It is now evident that some of our top men are very much ambitious and there has been so many fall-downs.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, January 27th, 1975)
“Our mission is to serve bhakta-visesa and live with devotees. Not that you take the place of the guru. That is nonsense, very dangerous. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become ambitious to take the place of guru—gurusu nara-matih. That is the material disease.”( Srila Prabhupada Conversation, April 20th, 1977)
Divine Yuga Avatara Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Srila Thakura Bhaktivinode, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami, told in Divine Prophesy, and sent us our Great General ! Senapati Bhakta ! HDG Jagad-Guru Srila Prabhupada , perfect servant of Srimati Radharani and Her Divine Associates of Sri Goloka, Sridhama Mayapura, and Sri Sri Jagannatha Puri / Bhubaneswara dhamas.
Caitanya Mangala, circa 1500 A.D. by Srila Locana dasa Thakura Goswami, contemporary and Gaudiya Vaisnava historian/biographer of Sri Krsna Caitanya. Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu bol :
“yadi papi cadi dharma dure dese yaya mora senapati bhakta yaibe tathaya”
“If some sinful people escape ( His sankirtana movement ) and giving up religious principles go to far off countries, then My Senapati Bhakta ( Great General amongst the devotees ), will come at that time to give them Krsna consciousness.”.
“The temple is a place not for eating and sleeping, but as a base from which we send out our soldiers to fight with maya.”(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 3/8/1973)
His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, founder-acarya of the Hare Krsna Movement, Jagad Vaisnava Guru, prophesied by Lokanatha Goswami five hundred years ago, and reiterated by Sril Bhaktivinode Thakura 175 years ago, instructed in his mission by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharajah Thakura Prabhupada of Navadvipa and Jagannatha Puri, our Srila Prabhupada is the prophesied “Senapati Bhakta” of Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
“Because you are very sincere and enthusiastic boy, and very intelligent also, Krishna has given you this position of leadership in His army, to win the war with Maya and establish Krishna Consciousness as the perfect way of life for every living entity.”(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 15/11/1971)
Syamasundara: ‘And by putting out this book, The Origin of Species, they at once did away with God to be able to… After that Nietzsche, another philosopher who said, “God is dead,” he made that statement first, right after Darwin’s book came out: “God is dead.”” Srila Prabhupada: “So we have to fight against all these nonsense philosophers.”(Discussions with Syamasundara Das)
And we have to fight them. We can not stay silent in the name of “peace” or “co-existence”. Srila Prabhupada: “So we have to fight against all this nonsense. Nonsense scientists, nonsense religionists. What do you think? It is not easy-going, sleeping business. We have to fight with so many demons. [...] As all our Godbrothers are doing. They have got a little temple, and a few devotees go and beg rice and cook it and eat and sleep, that’s all.” Pusta Krishna: “Like being dead almost.”
Srila Prabhupada: “No fighting spirit.”(Room Conversation, 2/7/1976Glories to Bhadrasena Maharajah!
“By the mercy of the Guru even a dumb man can become a great speaker, and even a lame man can cross mountains.”
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I, one, may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It is not that I give an order, ‘Here is the next leader.’ Anyone who follows the previous leadership is the leader…. All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don’t want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who is following is perfect.”
(Srila Prabhupada, Back to Godhead magazine, Vol. 13, No. 1-2)
courtesy RMdd )
Yes, if the usurpers simply followed Srila Prabhupada there would be no problems, but instead they stole his books, temples, devotees, and now they change his books and philosophy to suit their lying agendas. So, as ordered, we push on unchanged and with vigor, and, as necessary, also strongly resist the oppressors.
Hope this was helpful. Please read Srila Prabhupada’s unchanged books only, and you will not be fooled by outsiders’ propagandas or by the lies told by the phony gooroos; their asampradaya can be totally useless.
Waldemar says:Jaki jest sens walczyć z Mayą devi, energią Śri Kryszny?
Kto rozpoczął walkę ze Śri Kryszną i Jego energiami?
What is the meaning of Maya devi fight, Sri Krishna Energy?
Who started the fight with Krsna and His energies?
Lovely question Waldemar. Hare Krsna. AGTSP !
Material existence cannot be traced out, there is no beggining nor end. The things which we see in the material world are also eternally here, though the forms and pastimes are endlessly mutable. For example, there will always be houses, though any particual house will not last long due to the inevitable effects of time. There are always living enitites here. Some newer to material existence may be most inimical, those more expereinced and favored by the mercy of liberated souls may be more favorable towards Krsna, but all conditioned beings to a degree are tainted with a seperatist selfish mentality. The exceptions and our saving grace are the rare rare nittya-siddha perfect devotees. who come here for a purpose of service, such as Srila Prabhupada, Lord Jesus, etc., and who are never under the influence of Maya devi, illusions, errors, cheating, imperfect senses.
In the material words, the forms and pastimes in general are temporary and limited, whereas in Vaikuntha, the bodies are eternal and unlimited, unrestricted. The soul is fully free there, and in its most unrestricted natural state. So no amount of adjustment in the material worlds will bring eternal satisfaction, as the soul is eternal not temporary, therefore we expereince so many frustrations with the temporary material things.
Nonetheless, in order for there to be fullest possible expression and manifestation of love and the varieties of tastes, there must also be freedom, otherwise forced love is not love at all. It is like the difference between self-stimulation and love-making.
So Krsna has arranged, we can leave Vaikuntha and His company to do our own thing if we wish. The jivas are marginal energies of a spiritual quality but liable to be overwhelmed by even greater energies such as those possesed by Maya devi, the deluding or conditioning being, so when we leave Krsna’ realms, we become subject to Maya’s laws in her realms. We are not God, but there are beings more like God than ourselves, and they have specific funtions, ie they are the servant energies of God, He is the Source, the energetic, shakti and shaktiman. It is technically she, a form of shakti, or deluding energy in this case, who pins and traps the seperatist jivas, who left heaven, down into an illusion in which they can dream that they are God, or the controller etc, ie items not available in Vaikuntha, and thus try to enjoy themselves.
Krsna likes a fight once in a while. By coming to the material worlds, we the jivas facilitate this desire of the Lord. Hiranyakasipu, for example, was a great jiva-soul devotee who fell down to the material world, and acted as antagonist by fighting Naraharideva, Krishna’s form of ferociousness against demons. Fights of this degree and nature do not take place in heaven, but do here, and thus all the Lord’s intents and full manifestation of all free will and tastes including horror, death, anger, comedy, devastation, chivalry etc become manifest to the fullest possible degrees. By the material world existing, the Lord’s and the living enitities possibilites are manifest more fully.
In this case, our situation, we can say Maya devi is acting such as to cause so much troubles. This does not mean we ignore the troubles, understanding the source of the deluding energy, but rather that we understand what is Krsna’s will and what is His will perverted and hampered by jivas under the Maya, the illusion.
The false ego is to think oneself of seperate interests from Godhead. Maya engeges these persons in schemes and lifetyles to fulfill these desires, but devotees avoid maya in order to follow instead the will of Godhead, Sri Krsna. As conditioned souls, we do not always understand what is Krsna’s desire, therefore we listen and accept the orders of the spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada, who is never in illusion. In this way, we are rightly situated in service even if conditioned still. Those who do not do the will of Godhead, by deviating from the orders of the bonafide guru, are understood to be under the will of the Devi-l, so to speak, of Maya Devi’s influences. She is not evil, she is a pure devotee of Krsna, but her duty is often very dark.
Many of us perceive the struggle between the phony gooroos and the pure devotee as a manifestation of this very rasa of fighting. Unfortuantely, the ugly character of it all is terrible, the demons insidious and subtle as well as gross and unbeleivably selfish and deluded and disgusting. Maya has totally bewildered their intelligences. So it is not a very nice fight at all.
“Those who are My devotees shall never be vanquished” the Lord says. So we have confidence in this fact in the long run, but in the shorter run, before all is concluded, all hell can break lose! The wise soldiers stand strong, and do not flinch from their necessary and sometimes arduous work, nor are they disillusioned when they see the pure devotees engaged in struggles also, as that is the very nature of this world.
Is this helpful, Waldemar Prabhu? Your questions are most appropriate and intelligent. I look forward to your studied reply! Hare Krsna, Prabhu Ji
Waldemar says:Hari bol !
Drogi Tamohara Prabhu,
Dziękuję za Twoje odpowiedzi.
Gdy Śri Kryszna był obecny na Ziemi, tylko parę osób wiedziało, że Śri Kryszna jest Najwyższą Osobą Boga.
Co widzieli świadkowie odejścia Śri Kryszny?
Śri Kryszna postrzelony strzałą, chyba zatrutą, w stopę i odchodzi.
Co widzieli świadkowie odejścia Śrila Prabhupada?
Śrila Prabhupada otruty i odchodzi.
Uczę się intonować i słuchać święte imiona, tylko dzięki łasce Śrila Prabhupada i Śri Śri Panca-tattvy.
ts Waldemar
Hari bol!
Tamohara Dear Prabhu,
Thank you for your answers.
When Sri Krishna was present on Earth, only a few people know that Sri Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
What the witnesses saw the departure of Sri Krishna?
Sri Krishna shot an arrow, perhaps poisoned, on foot and goes.
What the witnesses saw the departure of Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada was poisoned and goes.
I’m learning to chant and listen to the holy names, only by the grace of Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Panca-tattva.
Waldemar ts
Waldemar says:Ile osób mogło być zaangażowanych w otrucie Śrila Prabhupada?
Co sądzisz, Tamohara Prabhu, o tym, żeby modlić się do Śri Kryszny, o łaskę dla nich?
How many people could be involved in the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada?
What do you think Tamohara Prabhu, about to pray to Sri Krishna, for mercy for them?
Jaya prabhu. How many were involved? That depends upon what you count as involved? You mean just devotees, or CIA handlers/gov’t agents also? Immediately, Tamal Krsna, Jayapataka, Bhavananda, Bhakti Caru, Satadhanya, Satswarupa, Adi Kesava, Kirtanananda, are most often mentioned by those who were there. Nonetheless, a wider conspiracy of silence and complicity is likely. You should inquire from the experts on that subject; that is not me. I have only involved myself in studying the conclusions and evidence so much as anyone can by searching the net and talking with the devotees. My background as a scientist and brahmana has helped me see through the dissembling in favor of the overwhelmingly clear evidence, such as the forensic lab hair sample analyses.
You sound like a sincere and religious man. I suggest that you may suffer unneeded anguish by pursuing this too much further ? Your analogy of the poisoned arrow made it clear that your understanding is nice and your heart is wise and clear. Satisfy your mind, and pursue spiritual life by dint of your own determination, and by associating with like-minded and encouraging loving persons, read the main scriptures, chant Hare Krsna, take Krsna prasadam, and pursue no sinful life.
We have a net site for social interactions and to create a temple-like internet option. We also offer recommendations for initiations. We speak mostly English though Hungarian language is also used. There are no big gooroos there, only Srila Prabhupada and his followers. We are imperfect but trying. I have said my piece over the years to point out glaring faults, but have this site to accentuate the positive and try to increase the sense of loving belonging among the diaspora-d devotees. You are certainly welcome to visit us there, Waldemar Prabhu, and perhaps make friends with the members? https://puredevoteeseva.ning.com/
Waldemar says:Dziękuję Ci Tamohara Prabhu za odpowiedź.
Może napiszę coś jeszcze, jak się będę lepiej czuł.
Thank you for your reply Tamohara Prabhu.
Maybe I will write something else, how will I feel better.
Waldemar says:Uważam, że zamiast walczyć z wrogami, czy z demonami, lepiej jest się uczyć modlić, poprzez Śrila Prabhupada do Śri Kryszny, o łaskę dla nich.
Śrila Prabhupada i Śri Kryszna lepiej ode mnie wiedzą, jaką łaskę im okazać i w jaki sposób im ją okazać.
Widzę tylko takie wyjście z istniejącej sytuacji, czyli z walki z osobami z fałszywego Iskonu , czy z walki z wszelkimi innymi wrogami i demonami.
Uważam, że nauka modlitwy o łaskę dla swoich wrogów, jest najlepszą obroną przed nimi.
Na przykład, Śri Nrisimho okazał łaskę Hiranyakasipu.
I think that instead of fighting enemies, or demons, it is better to learn to pray, by Srila Prabhupada to Sri Krishna, for grace for them.
Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krishna better than I know what the grace of the show and how they show it.
I see only an exit from the existing situation, namely the struggle of people with false Iskonu if the fight any other enemies and demons.
I think learning to pray for mercy for their enemies, is the best defense against them.
For example, Sri Nrisimho Hiranyakasipu gave it.
Dear Waldemar Prabhu, et al; Why do so many lovely and loving persons appear in Eastern Europe? Pardon my mentioning, but the ideals of tolerance and love are very strong there. Such religious and spiritually-inclined peoples, I am attracted to go visit these countries ! An SPI site member, Rasa Manjari DD, living in Hungary, speaks in a very similar fashion, also emphasizes love and compassion. Its very nice, and attractive to people’s minds and hearts.
Yes, Waldemar Prabhu, those of a brahminical nature will speak of peace, whereas the more martially inclined will speak of enforcing or creating peace under duress. Both are needed, I suggest, but ultimately, the ideals of peace and inclusivity are to be most encouraged and appreciated.
So heres a plan; some of us will expose and uproot the rascals, and all will show compassion to the innocent and the other devotees ? Good cop, bad cop ! I joke a little. Unfortunately, the Superior Court in India listens to money and legal wordings, and not rightfulness or prayers so much these days. As for the GBC, as they say in Jersey, “Forget about it !”
PS; For another rasa; Lord Sri Naraharideva ripped Hiranyakasipu apart at the doorsill on His lap with His bare nails, and then tore his guts out. He also fought Hiranyakasipu’s armies and air force in a ferocious gory bloody battle! Heads and weapons were floating in rivers of blood! Powerful deadly aircraft were swatted out of the sky by the Lord. Armies launched but were sliced to pieces in the hundreds of thousands. For hours and days they clashed, every weapon being cast against Lord Nrsngha. but He fought on, and soon the numbers of opponents diminished , and soon, they were vanquished ! Then Prahlad Maharajah, his loving devotee, came to pacify Him, and presenting a garland, he spoke loving words to pacify the Lord.
So a devotee’s pure love conquers even the unconquerable Sri Narahari ! Love dominates, is the highest law, but sometimes that love requires application of “don’t spare the rod lest the man be spoiled ?”
Pamho. Hare Krishna
Waldemar says:Drogi Tamohara Prabhu,
Pamiętam, że kiedyś, na początku lat 80, bhaktowie nauczali, że:
Gdy walczy dwóch vaisnavów, i że gdy ktoś bierze stronę któregoś z nich, i przyłącza się do ich walki, wówczas wszyscy razem szybko lądują w piekle.
Czy jest tak rzeczywiście napisane gdzieś w śastrach?
Czy dotyczy to także grup walczących vaisnavów?
Jak to się ma do walki zwolenników Iskonu, ze zwolennikami Prabhupada i ISKCON-u Prabhupada?
Tamohara Dear Prabhu,
I remember once, in the early ’80s, taught devotees that:
When two Vaisnavas fights, and that when someone takes the side of one of them, and joins the fight, then we all quickly end up in hell.
Is it actually written somewhere in sastra?
Is this also applies to groups fighting the Vaisnavas?
How does this relate to fighting Iskonu followers, with followers of Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON Prabhupada?
Its simple. We started the Hare Krsna Movement by carefully and enthusiastically following Srila Prabhupada’s orders. Huge success was enjoyed. Envious, many self-serving aggressive psychopathic imposters took the opportunities after his departure, which they had murderously arranged, to steal everything, abuse the devotees, and turn the movement into a kali-yuga demoniac farce, destroying decades of hard work performed by sincere devotees. These are NOT devotees, Waldemaar Prabhu. I don’t need any sastra to see whats in front of my nose.
Define Vaisnava, and you will have your answers; a Vaisnava desires only the highest welfare of pure Krsna consciousness for others.
And yes, did the demons not create hell for so many gurukula kids and almost every one of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples? And who did that? Was it real Vaisnavas, or was it a handful of organized greedy pigs? Should we sit back and smile and let our Godbrothers be abused by CIA agents and goofs? That is a path for submissively being violated by rapists, like Strauss Kahn and Bhavananada the child rapist fellatio artist gooroo, and Umapati the ritvik-hater sastra writer and brahmacari lover teams. Not on your life, Waldemaar Prabhu, not in a million kalpas of yugas !!
We are wasting time even bothering ourselves over these persons. Chant Hare Krsna and encourage others to do the same. Whether honestly following the simple program or using one’s skills to describe the truth, both further Srila Prabhupada’s real mission and end the demons’ programs.
