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Welcome May 2, 2011 7:46
What is a Vaishnava? Kali-cela devotees and pseudo gurus
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A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

From Suvarna Manjari dasi:

Hare Krsna, can someone please explain to me why it is bad for people to follow someone who may be a criminal if that person is telling them to chant Hare Krsna and to read Prabhupadas books? I am just trying to find out how that persons criminal past may or may not affect the “disciples” or followers. How does it affect the followers devotional creeper? Can that follower still achieve love of God?
Thank you, your servant Suvarna

False gurus – pseudo spiritual master

Srila Prabhupada describes the fate of disciples who follow false gurus - Going to hell without a doubt:

Prabhupada: As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he is on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.” (Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 14th, 1972)”

Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.14)”

And the rascal, blind leaders are leading everyone to hell. They are simply misleaders. People do not like to accept any authority. Still, they have accepted these rascals as leaders and are being misled. In this way both the rascal leaders and their unfortunate followers remain bound up by the stringent laws of material nature.” (The Laws of Nature, chapter 1)”

Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called spiritual master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.19.37, purport)

“The misguided conditioned soul also approaches so-called sadhus and swamis who preach against the principles of the Vedas. He does not receive benefit from them, either in the present or in the future.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.14.13)

“One cannot become happy by accepting a false guru. A guru should be accepted as advised in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Tasmad gurum prapadyeta jijnasuh sreya uttamam: One should approach a bona fide guru to inquire about the highest benefit of life. (…) If one is able to obtain the dust of the lotus feet of such a guru, his life becomes successful. Otherwise he is baffled both in this life and in the next.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.14.13, purport)

“So if you are misled, if you are cheated, whose fault it is? But if you want to be cheated, who can check? Even though somebody by mistake has gone to a rascal, the book is there. As soon as you find out, “Here is a rascal who does not know anything about Krsna, and I have come to him,” reject him.” (Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, January 31st, 1977)

Comments: Srila Prabhupada clearly warns about the consequences of accepting unauthorised gurus. Hence, best to stay fixed with the only Guru that Srila Prabhupada recommended for ISKCON — himself !

july9th says: Quoting from Padma Purana, Sri Sanatana Gosvami has strictly forbidden us to hear about the activities of the Lord and His devotees from the mouths of nondevotees:

avaisnava-mukhodgirnam / putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam / sarpocchistam yatha payah

“One should not hear anything about Krsna from a non-Vaisnava. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects ; similarly, talks about Krsna given by a non-Vaisnava are also poisonous.” One must be a bona fide devotee, and then he can preach and impress devotional service upon his listeners. (SB 6.17.40p)

What is a Vaishnava?

Suvarna Manjari dasi writes: Can you please explain to me what a vaisnava is. It’s really difficult to see who is a vaisnava and who is not, especially if one does not even know what a vaisnava is. It’s not a cheap thing to be a vaisnava… hopefully one day I will become one.

But, please can you tell me what a vaisnava is. Radhanath Swami looks like one (maybe not when he dances like that…Bhava or acting?…I can’t know for sure), he follows a line of vaisnavas, so it’s easy for one to assume that he is a vaisnava.

We are so easily cheated and fooled in this age. I just watched a doco on Saibaba and watched how his followers totally believed who he was and worshipped him…now in Saibabas case…for us it is so obvious that he is a fake, but when it comes to people who are following in our own line of diciplic succession and appear to be followers of Prabhupada, it’s sometimes really difficult to make the distinction…especially if you are afraid of being offensive and don’t actually know what a vaisnava is meant to be.

Sometimes I just want to believe that everything is fine and try to only see the positive and all that, but one can’t help to see the cracks in the walls. And if you don’t get out of the cracked up room, the roof may fall on your head. I hope to receive some imput from other devotees. Your servant, Suvarna.

july9th says: Srila Prabhupada gives many definitions as to what a vaisnava is. Just like someone may ask, what does the word apple mean? It can mean many things, a fruit, a type of tree, a seed, a color etc. The meaning is taken from the context.

You are asking this question within the context of Radhanath Swami and by appearances he may fit a definition.

Another qualification of a Vaisnava is that he will obey the orders of his spiritual master. If one disobeys the orders of the spiritual master, then he cannot be a Vaisnava. Just like those who have usurped the seat of Srila Prabhupada as Radhanath Swami and his GBC buddies have been doing for the past 30+ years. It is clear that Prabhupada never authorized Radhanath Swami to be his successor.

“Our mission is to serve (…). Not that you take the place of the guru. That is nonsense, very dangerous. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become ambitious to take the place of guru – gurusu nara-matih . That is the material disease.” (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, April 20, 1977)

“If one is disobeying the spiritual master, he cannot remain in the pure status of life. He cannot be siksa-guru or anything else. He is finished, immediately.” (Srila Prabhupada Lecture, July 4th, 1974)

Also, we know that Srila Prabhupada himself stated that there are many non- Vaisnavas in ISKCON who are posing as Vaisnavas:

“There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas in this Krishna consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaisnava.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 1.218 purport)

Those who unauthorisedly “take the place of the guru” are these very same “jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas”.

The six Goswamis of Vrindavan

What is the definition of a Vaishnava?

The word “Vaisnava” denotes a worshiper of Visnu and is derived from the Lord’s own name, Vishnu. The term Vaisnava refers to devotees of Vishnu in general as well as to devotees of Vishnu’s incarnation, like Rama and Krishna in particular. The heart of a Vaishnava is by nature softened due to the touch of the lotus feet of Lord Krishna. By nature a Vaishnava is Paraduhki-duhki, that is, he feels pain when he sees the suffering of others.

grhitaivisnudiksako visnu-pujaparo narah
vaisnavo ‘bhihito ‘bhijnairitaro ‘smadavaisnavah

“One who is initiated into the Vaishnava mantra and who is devoted to worshipping Lord Vishnu/ Krishna is a Vaishnava. One who is devoid of these practices is not a Vaishnava. (quote from Hari-bhakti-vilas,11, quoted from Padma Purana)

Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu explains three kinds of Vaishnavas:

An Ordinary Vaishnava:
prabhu-kare, ‘yanra mukhe suni eka-bara
krsna-nama, sei pujya, srestha sabakara

“Who chants the holy name of Krishna just once may be considered a Vaishnava. Such a person is worshipable and is the topmost human being.” (CC. Mad.15.106)

A Superior Vaishnava:
krsna-nama nirantara yanhara vadane
se vaisnava-srestha, bhaja tanhara carane

“A person who is always chanting the holy name of the Krishna is a superior Vaishnava and your duty is to serve his lotus feet.” (CC. Mad.16.72)

The Topmost Vaishnava:
yanhara darsane mukhe aise krsna-nama
tanhare janiha tumi vaisnava-pradhana

“The topmost Vaishnava is he/she whose very presence makes others chant the holy name of Krishna. Such a Vaishnava is superior to all others!” (CC. Mad.16.74)

The Demoniac and Divine:

Bhagavad Gita Chapter 16, Verse 1-3.
The Blessed Lord said: Fearlessness, purification of one’s existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self-control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, austerity and simplicity; nonviolence, truthfulness, freedom from anger; renunciation, tranquility, aversion to faultfinding, compassion and freedom from covetousness; gentleness, modesty and steady determination; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, freedom from envy and the passion for honor–these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.

Bhagavad Gita Chapter 16, Verse 4-24.
Arrogance, pride, anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance–these qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, O son of Prtha. The demoniac, taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and being thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent. They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus there is no end to their anxiety. Being bound by hundreds and thousands of desires, by lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification.

The demoniac person thinks: “So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice.” In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance.

Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false prestige, they sometimes perform sacrifices in name only without following any rules or regulations. Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and falls down into hell.

There are persons who imitate the previous Acharyas without following them in principle in order to advertise oneself as a high grade Vaishnava. But such imitation devotees are condemned in the words of Srimad Bhagbatam as the ‘stone-hearted.’ And Srila Viswanath Chakrabarty Thakur has annotated on this ‘Stone Heartedness’ as follows: http://bhagavad-gitaasitis.com/?g=157743

Vaishnava and Kali-Chela:

Prabhupada: Then you can get rid of maya’s tricks. Otherwise, you may dress yourself like anything, but you are simply maya’s servant. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has sung one… Ei ota kalir chela: “Here is another disciple of Kali.” Nake tilaka galai mala. “He has got tilaka on the nose and mala, kanthi, also.” Sahaja bhajana kache mamu saìge lana pare bhalo: “And he’s, he has become a Vaisnava by illicit sex.” This is stated by Bhaktivinoda Thakura. “Here is a Kali’s chela. He has dressed like a Vaisnava, but he is doing his bhajan with illicit sex.” Sahaje bhajana kache mamu saìge lana pare bhalo. You know? There is a class of sahajiyas? (Morning Walk at Marine del Rey, July 13, 1974, Los Angeles)

What is a Devotee?

Prabhupada: Devotees… To become devotee is not so cheap thing. You don’t think that because you have got a tilaka you have become devotee. Why do you think like that?
Prabhupada: That Bhaktivinoda Thakura, eita eka kalira chela, nake tilaka, galaya mala: “Here is another follower of Kali. He has got tilaka and mala.” Sahaja bhajana kacen mamu, sanga laiya parera wala “He is worshiping, bhajana, taking another’s wife.” Sahaja bhajana kacen mamu, sanga laiya parera wala, ei ta eka kalira chela “Here is a servant of Kali. Simply he has changed his dress with tilaka and mala.” Bhaktivinoda Thakura says. If you take tilaka and mala and do all nonsense things, then you are not a devotee. You are Kali-chela. To become a devotee is not so easy thing.
Prabhupada: Devotee means sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. He is above these material laws. That is devotee. Brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. He is in the Brahman stage. That is devotee. If you take…. That means sahajiya. “Because I have got a tilaka and mala, I have become devotee.” This kind of cheating will not do.

Pseudo-Devotees / Pseudo-Vaishnavas:

“Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, Kali-cela. He indicates that there are other Vaishnavas, pseudo-Vaishnavas, with tilaka on their nose and kunti beads around their neck. Such a pseudo-Vaishnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaishnavas. Although passing for a Vaishnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaishnava”. (CC.Madhy.,Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport)

“A mundane person in the dress of a Vaisnava should not be respected, but rejected. This is enjoined in the sastras (upeksa). the word upkesa means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preachers duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaisnavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve an envious person in the dress of a Vaisnava. When Narottama dasa Thakura says chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba, he is indicating an actual Vaisnava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaisnava.”

“A jealous person in the dress of a Vaisnava is not at all happy to see the success of another Vaisnava in receiving the Lords mercy. Unfortunately in this age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaisnavas and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has described them a disciples of Kali. He says, Kali-cela, he indicates that there is another Vaisnava, a pseudo-Vaisnava with tilaka on his nose and kunti beads around his neck. Such a pseudo-Vaisnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaisnavas. Although passing for a Vaisnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaisnava. Bhaktivinoda Thakura therefore says that such a pseudo-Vaisnava is not a Vaisnava at all, but a disciple of Kali-yuga. A disciple of Kali cannot become an acarya by the decision of some high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgement. A false acarya my try to override a Vaisnava by a high-court decision, but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, Ch 1, 218-219)

Pseudo-Gurus:

“We should be very careful before accepting a Guru The sastras enjoin that before we take a guru we study him carefully to find out whether we can surrender to him. We should not accept a guru suddenly, out of fanaticism. That is very dangerous.” (The Science of Self Realization, chapter 2, ‘Choosing a Spiritual Master’)

Prabhupada: “I am practically seeing that as soon as they, our students, begin to learn a little Sanskrit, they immediately feel they have become more than their guru. Then the policy is to kill their guru and become guru themselves”. “As soon as he learns that Guru Maharaj is dead, now I am so advanced I can kill guru and become guru. Then he is finished.” (Srila Prabhupada 1976).

Prabhupada: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Krsna speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done?

Prabhupada: “This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This is what I want.” (to Madhudvisa 4 Aug, 1975)

Beware of false, unauthorised Gurus

“By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession (…)Instead, to mislead the people in general, they themselves become so-called acaryas, but do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.” (Sri Isopanisad, mantra 12, purport)

“There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acarya may try to override a vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.” (CC.Madhy.,Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport)

PSEUDO GURUS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS

The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession.

THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA–”ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Isopanisad Text 12)

The fate of false Gurus:

“These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in Bhagavad gita (16.19-20) that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell. Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.” (Sri Isopanisad, mantra 12, purport)

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Welcome May 2, 2011 7:48

The following is from Rasa Manjari devi dasi, in Hungary, next article down;

Comment by Dirti Hari 23 hours ago

The fragrance of the lotus ...

His roots are growing from the dark mud, but his flowers rise high. The man long for their real being to be united with God.

In the lotus eternal the affection, the cleanness, beauty, the harmony, the spirituality! The past, the present and the future are the lotuses because of this. He will be with you always if you felt the fragrance of the lotus!

Prabhupada blessed work and his teaching get never lost! Who decided that the life recognises his secrets, the Absolute Personality sincerely, that perfect, eternal and secure a joyful life, receives everlasting, clear teaching from the master.

The Mercy of Srila Prabhupada

“By the mercy of the spiritual master one receives the benediction of Krsna. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement. Therefore, I should always remember and praise the spiritual master. At least three times a day I should offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master.”

(from Gurvastakam Verse 8.)

Allow me to relate some thoughts of mine ...

I gave up more web pages on this week. I said hello, and I related that the door of my heart is not locked. I did not go far ... so everybody may decide that he visits freely, or no.
I did not idle lately. I save it to many hearts, but the doors were locked usually. Seven were locks on the door of some of the hearts. But I put a letter always onto the doorstep,, I had been here... - answers did not arrive ...
I made a pledge on the other hand! I vowed to struggle along yet clearer man to be. I am struggling along yet more humble to be. I try to serve even better. Everything remained because of this I spend my spare time on this. I talked about this to nobody yet. It would be asked certainly: - you will make a profit out of this? He your money? - Oh, of course! I am craving the richness, but not some, as you believe it.
The affection is the component of all modes of existence and his mover. Most live for themselves only, and others are used for the satisfaction of their desires, their will. We see this, their lounge, we feel. The conditional mood supports this in our sentences !!! - For example: I do what you would like, if ...
The thank you a kind, beautiful word! But reports nothing if is not cleanness behind it. Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON; SPIrit-net - here, this church the unselfish clear affection service's church.
What can we do? The hearts have to desire the cleanness, and to fetch him! It was said in the garden of your soul the pictures, the garden, the music are beautiful, and on all of them ... but they do not find the time for this. Thank you for it nicely ...
They do not enter already on the gate of the garden because of this .. the affection can be given, but it is not possible to force it. The faith not bare necessities, some than the food and the drink, the house, and the property . few people know that it is not possible to live without it!

My knowledge is so small for me, than the sand. The Lord gave a blessing to me, that I may be growing here. There is not something else for me, than my affection ...

I am praying, that everywhere, and for everybody, here, and in the garden of your soul the thank you be a true, clear word! No only a shining picture ... because of the humble, real affection rich life, the clear thoughts, and intentions mean the real ideal richness! Wish for everybody the Lord in Krisna spiritual joy, happiness!

"Even the greatest philosophical speculators cannot have access to the region of the Lord. It is said in the Upanisads that the Supreme Truth, the Absolute Personality of Godhead, is beyond the range of the thinking power of the greatest philosopher. He is unknowable by great learning or by the greatest brain. He is knowable only by one who has His mercy. Others may go on thinking about Him for years together, yet He is unknowable." Srimad-Bhagavatam 1:8:20 Purport

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Welcome Chris and Rajesh! Thanks for joining us here.

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There are so many rules and regulations, but for chanting Hare Krsna, THERE ARE NO HARD AND FAST RULES. Thank GOD !

Comment by Dirti Hari 1 day ago

Srila Prabhupada explains what faith is very succinctly:
“It should be understood, that if one’s heart is in the mode of goodness, his faith is also in the mode of goodness. If his heart is in the mode of passion, his faith is also in the mode of passion. And if his heart is in the mode of darkness, illusion, his faith is also thus contaminated. Thus we find different types of faith in this world, and there are different types of religions due to different types of faith. The real principle of religious faith is situated in the mode of pure goodness, but because the heart is tainted, we find different types of religious principles.”

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Devotional service, bhakti yoga, and Vaisnavism, is actually Shatki-ism. We are Shaktas of Radhe, Who is the Supreme Shakti, and Her various servitor expansions.
Welcome May 2, 2011 7:51
Mahasana dasa said, May, 2011;

All these transcendental qualities are the characteristics of pure Vaisnavas. They cannot be fully explained, but I shall try to point out some of the important qualities:
Devotees are always merciful, humble, truthful, equal to all, faultless, magnanimous, mild, and clean. They are without material possessions, and they perform welfare work for everyone. They are peaceful, surrendered to Krsna, and desireless. They are indifferent to material acquisitions and are fixed in devotional service. They completely control the six bad qualities: lust, anger, greed, pride, illusion, and envy. They eat only as much as required, and are sober. They are respectful, grave, compassionate, and without false prestige. They are friendly, poetic, expert, and silent, that is they do not speak whimsically.
(Cc. Madhya 22.77-80)

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Quoting from Padma Purana, Sri Sanatana Gosvami has strictly forbidden us to hear about the activities of the Lord and His devotees from the mouths of nondevotees:

avaisnava-mukhodgirnam
putam hari-kathamrtam
sravanam naiva kartavyam
sarpocchistam yatha payah

“One should not hear anything about Krsna from a non-Vaisnava. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects ; similarly, talks about Krsna given by a non-Vaisnava are also poisonous.”

One must be a bona fide devotee, and then he can preach and impress devotional service upon his listeners.
(SB 6.17.40p)

“Our business is to point out who is not a saint.”
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, 10/4/1975

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[...] Let everyone be engaged in whatever occupation he now has. Simply let him worship Lord Krishna by the result of his activities in Krishna consciousness. That will adjust the whole situation and everyone will be happy and peaceful within this world. In the Narada-pancaratra the regulative principles of devotional service are described as follows: “Any activities sanctioned in the revealed scriptures and aiming at the satisfaction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead are accepted by saintly teachers as the regulative principles of devotional service. If somebody regularly executes such service unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead under the direction of a bona fide spiritual master, then gradually he rises to the platform of serving in pure love of God.” Full Chapter
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Welcome May 2, 2011 7:52

His Divine Grace Śrīla A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda
Founder~Acharya of the Krsna Consciousness Movement

Sri Caitanya Caritamrta 1975
Antya-lila 7.12
Purport

"Śrī Madhvācārya has brought our attention to this quotation from the Nārāyaṇa-saṁhitā:

dvāparīyair janair viṣṇuḥ
pañcarātrais tu kevalaiḥ
kalau tu nāma-mātreṇa
pūjyate bhagavān hariḥ

"in the Dvāpara-yuga one could satisfy Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu only by worshiping opulently according to the pāñcarātrikī system, but in the age of Kali one can satisfy and worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead Hari simply by chanting His holy name." Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura explains that unless one is directly empowered by the causeless mercy of Kṛṣṇa, one cannot become the spiritual master of the entire world (jagad-guru). One cannot become an ācārya simply by mental speculation. The true ācārya presents Kṛṣṇa to everyone by preaching the holy name of the Lord throughout the world. Thus the conditioned souls, purified by chanting the holy name, are liberated from the blazing fire of material existence. In this way, spiritual benefit grows increasingly full, like the waxing moon in the sky. The true ācārya, the spiritual master of the entire world, must be considered an incarnation of Kṛṣṇa's mercy. indeed, he is personally embracing Kṛṣṇa. He is therefore the spiritual master of all the varṇas (brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya and śūdra) and all the āśramas (brahmacarya, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa). Since he is understood to be the most advanced devotee, he is called paramahaṁsa-ṭhākura. Ṭhākura is a title of honor offered to the paramahaṁsa. Therefore one who acts as an ācārya, directly presenting Lord Kṛṣṇa by spreading His name and fame, is also to be called paramahaṁsa-ṭhākura."

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Delete Comment Thanks, and welcome also, dear GRIMLOCK.

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Delete Comment Hey Bonny! Thanks for joining up.Welcome!

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In response to annunaki vid; The much older universal Vedic culture describes advanced human civilizations on this planet going back millions of years. We are in a degraded declining version of our our glory these days. I humbly suggest that this business of humans being engineered by aliens contradicts the Vedas, which are far more detailed and preserved in many many many volumes of readable history, dating back to the creation of this and many other universes, and beyond.  The Sumerians got their knowedge from the Vedic civilizations. The Aryans are Vedic, the northern peoples descendants of their warrior classes. This UFO aliens engineered stuff is meant to disempower us, and may be alien propaganada meant to help insert themselves as our masters in our minds ?

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Delete Comment Namah om vishnu padaya , krsna presthaya bhutale...

Hello everyone! Here is a Vaisnava Hare Krishna video about the role of the Feminine Principle in traditional ecstatic bhakti yoga. Sri Krishna Caitanya gave us a good example as to eternally serve Her.

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His Divine Grace Śrīla A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda
Founder~Acharya of the Krsna Consciousness Movement


Srila Prabhupada Lecture at Upsala University Faculty
Stockholm
September 7, 1973


"If you have to see God, then you have to apply the ointment of love of God in your eyes, and then your eyes will be cleansed and you'll see God. This is the process. Premāñjana. Prema means love of God, and añjana means ointment. Just like sometimes we do not see correctly. In India, there is a kind of powder called surma. They apply it and they see clearly. Or some, any other. Similarly, there is possibility of seeing God with these eyes, provided you cleanse it. And what is the cleansing process? Love of Godhead, that's all. If you actually learn how to love God... That is practical. If you love somebody, in spite of being engaged in so many other occupation, you see your lover always—"When shall I meet? When shall I talk with him or with her?" This is practical. So if it is materially possible, if you develop your loving tendency... You have got the loving tendency. That is natural. Because living being is part and parcel of God. God is loving, so we have got that propensity of love. But our loving propensity has turned into lust at the present moment due to material condition. So if you want to purify that lust tendency into love, then you can see God. That is the condition. That we'll have to learn. That is called bhakti-yogam, bhakti-yogam, which we are teaching, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The human life is meant for understanding God, for seeing God, for talking with God, for behaving with God. That is possible. But you require little training. From the animalistic life, the animal cannot talk of God, cannot understand of God, cannot see God. But if we remain in the animalistic way of life, then it is not possible to see God and talk with Him. But if we purify ourself, if we apply the ointment of love of God on the eye, then premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ, those who are saints... I think this "saint" word has come from the Sanskrit world santaḥ. Santaḥ is Sanskrit word. Santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti. Those who are saintly persons, those who have trained themselves in the affairs of love of Godhead, they can see God constantly within their heart. That is possible."

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"Jivera Svarupa haya, nityera krsnadasa "

Means we are not these vehicles, the human form, which we are inhabitting and leasing currently. We are originally eternal Pure Spiritual Beings, made of sat chit and ananda, means blissful being in full knowledge eternally, with our own eternal names and identities and pastimes and forms, residences and vehicles, and we reside in the spirtual sky, the paravyoma.

But we left there temporarily for adventure, so here we are.  But now, after so long a time here, we are realizing again that we want the highest love, we are for returning to that Vrndavana, wherein all our lost associates and Loved Ones reside. So we hope to find our way to a better place, a fulfilling consciousness.

The Assaociates in the spiritual world see our suffering, and so They send powerful search parties out to recover us. This process of dancing and chanting Hare Krishna is one such mercy extended directly to us, by the most recent search party, called the "sankirtana party movement" , known worldwide as the Hare Krishna movement.

The sankirtana movement was predicted to go to every town and village of the world by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, some 550 years ago, and our spiritual teacher, His Divine Grace 108 A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Pranbhupada, acting under orders of his spiritual master, fulfilled this divine prophecy in our times.

His disciples have been given the authorization and duty to spread this mercy and bestow it freely upon everyone within the universe who will receive it.
Welcome May 2, 2011 7:56

By Ranacora Devi Dasi;              What is yoga?

"And of all yogīs, the one with great faith who always abides in Me, thinks of Me within himself, and renders transcendental loving service to Me — he is the most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all. That is My opinion." Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 6.47





The culmination of all kinds of yoga practices lies in bhakti yoga. All other yogas are but means to come to the point of bhakti in bhakti-yoga. Yoga actually means bhakti-yoga; all other yogas are progressions toward the destination of bhakti-yoga.



From the beginning of karma-yoga to the end of bhakti-yoga is a long way to self-realization. Karma-yoga, without fruitive results, is the beginning of this path. When karma-yoga increases in knowledge and renunciation, the stage is called jñāna-yoga. When jñāna-yoga increases in meditation on the Supersoul by different physical processes, and the mind is on Him, it is called aṣṭāńga-yoga. And when one surpasses the aṣṭāńga-yoga and comes to the point of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa, it is called bhakti yoga, the culmination.



Factually, bhakti-yoga is the ultimate goal, but to analyze bhakti-yoga minutely one has to understand these other yogas. The yogī who is progressive is therefore on the true path of eternal good fortune. One who sticks to a particular point and does not make further progress is called by that particular name: karma-yogī, jñāna-yogī or dhyāna-yogī, rāja-yogī, haṭha-yogī, etc. If one is fortunate enough to come to the point of bhakti-yoga, it is to be understood that he has surpassed all other yogas. Therefore, to become Kṛṣṇa conscious is the highest stage of yoga, just as, when we speak of Himālayan, we refer to the world's highest mountains, of which the highest peak, Mount Everest, is considered to be the culmination.

Therefore beware because:

The Bhāgavatam (11.5.3) confirms this as follows: "Anyone who does not render service and neglects his duty unto the primeval Lord, who is the source of all living entities, will certainly fall down from his constitutional position."

Three questions poped up in my mind after reading this most clear, precise and enlightening explanation of yoga:
1. Why do people think to themselves they know and understand what is *yoga*? ~ They are superficial posers, bad merchants, playing very hazardous games.
2. Why don't they want to *know* - instead they pretend to know something about it?
3. Have they ever read Bhagavad Gita, if nothing else? Why they don't read it? And if so, why don't they *understand* it??? And finally -- what in the world are they actually doing??!??
I really don't understand what kind of curtain is placed upon their eyes......
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And then the answers came to me: this confusion about what is yoga is due to missunderstood terms from ancient original scriptures and original teachings. For example: one can read the text I posted above, and skip the key term here: self-realization. Without knowing and understanding all the stages of self-realization, one can not understand sole and ultimate purpose of human existence. And self-realization comes in package with God's realization, and God's realization is not the realization "I am God!" LOL! LOL!

Furthermore, without knowing clearly one's original eternal spiritual *constituional position*, how is one to understand ~ the way back to their original position? So if we want to connect these two dots: from understanding one's *constituional position* to* self-realization* - there is the path of *yoga*. And the process of yoga is meant for making this particular linking of eternal individual spirit soul with God, the Supreme Person, from whom everything emanates, in order to re-establish personal, fully conscious, joyful and unique relationship, no more-no less. :)

Few tips that might be helpful about definitons on self-realization from dictionary:

self-re·al·i·za·tion - Noun
~ Fulfillment of one's own potential
~Soul recognition. The entering of Soul into the Soul Plane and there beholding Itself as pure Spirit. A state of seeing, knowing, and being.
~The spiritual search takes us in many directions, introduces many new ideas, give promises and via many well meaning teachers. But it is only when we come into contact with a self realized being that our search can be directed meaningfully. ...

~The progressive experiential comprehension of the self as consciousness, as soul and of Godhead.

rimary Rasas in Ecstatic Love of Krishna



                                                    Sri Krishna

Vaisnava Devotional

life involves exchanges of loving service; There are five primary flavors or rasas;

Five primary Rasas; 1 neutral ie appreciation, awe and reverence, 2 servant-master, 3 friend ship ( unequal or equal), 4 parental/protector, 5 lover.  These vary in degrees of intimacy and "thickness" of bhakti. All are fully relishable and satisfying.

Appreciation of Absolute Truth

1. neutral appreciation, santa rasa, awe and reverence; yogis, sages, scholars, neophytes, some animals

Knowledge leads one to appreciate the existence of the Supreme

One who through cultivation of knowledge realizes his intellectual limitations, takes to yoga for direct unhindered perception.

By determined contemplation, practice of the disciplines of yoga, one may come to the realization of the localized Godhead, Supersoul.

Others follow the path of bhakti emphasized by Sri Caitanya for our times, and chant Hare Krishna.

Such greatly elevated yogis are known as saints of devotion, also.

This is Srila Jaggannatha dasa Babaji, chanting Hare Krishna.

Realizing the Absolute, some remain in this poisiton of neutrality of awe and reverence. A spirit cow for example, may have a mix, including awe, and parental affection also !



2. servants; dasya rasa, sadhaka bhaktas, devotees in general

Here is Lord Brahma, on lotus, Creator of our universe in service to Govinda, left side.

3. friends;  sahkya rasa, may be in reverence or as equals, or even slightly superior raltionship to Krishna.

Arjuna, Krishna's warrior buddy, seen at back

4. Vatsalya rasa, Mother Yasoda, Krishna's mothers, His Fathers, older siblings, uncles, etc.

Father Vasudeva

Mother Yasoda

5. Lovers, madhurya rasa, may be married, or parakiya, unmarried

Sri Sri Laxmi Narayana

His Sweetheart Godhead Srimati Radharani

One begins by chanting the Hare

Rasa Manjari; “The feature of the Supreme Personality is the ultimate realization of God. He has all six opulences in full: He is the strongest, the richest, the most beautiful, the most famous, the wisest, and the most renounced.”

(Shrila Prabhupada, Science of Self-Realization, Ch 4a)

acintya bheda abheda tattva is the philosophy that is the culmination of thousands of years of progressive generations within this age, or short span of recent times, about 2000 years, among the Vaisnava great acaryas , or exemplars. It means that all things are united in essence eternally, and yet simultaneously have a transcendental pure spiritual individual identity! This is the teaching of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, seen below.



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Comment by Dirti Hari on April 28, 2011 at 12:30pm

Godhead is One, but His Faces are Many. We are one with Him, yet simultaneously eternally individuals. The most beautiful and attractive face of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is called Krishna, which means "All Attractive"

Child Krishna, " Damodara ", with His Mother Yasoda. Devi.

Comment by Dirti Hari on April 28, 2011 at 11:42am

Leila Raven The light of unconditional love awakens the dormant seed potentials of the soul. - John Welwood
Welcome May 2, 2011 7:58

Bhubaneswara ashrama, 1977. Gour Govinda Swami, looking saintly one, hand in bead bag. D.Hari is the white one.





Thats me in saffron, '08 Montreal. Renunciant celibates wear saffron in our cult.

“He replied, ‘My name is Abaya Caranaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. I am an unworthy disciple of His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, Srila Prabhupada, my divine master. I have been coming here for such a long time because my Gurudeva has given me an impossible mission.

His desire was for me to go across the ocean to the Western countries and spread the sublime teachings of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. There are countless souls there who have never heard of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna and so they are suffering greatly. I have not known how this mission of his will be successful, so I have been coming here to this special house of Adwaita Acarya, where he, Nityananda Prabhu, and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu would gather together to plan the sankirtana movement.

It was here that they launched the inundation of love of God that swept India and continues to this day. Thus, I have been praying very earnestly here that they will all give me their mercy that somehow they will empower me and guide me. I want to satisfy my gurudeva’s desire, but I am feeling unqualified to do this.’”

“As he was speaking to me, I saw tears falling down on his cheeks again. Then he continued, ‘Tomorrow I am leaving for Calcutta to go upon a ship across the ocean to America. I do no know what will befall me there, but I am praying most earnestly here for help.’ Then he very humbly asked me for my blessings. I was indeed moved by this Vaisnava’s sincerity and determination as I watched him depart upon his journey.”

"Sarva dharmana parityaja, mam ekam saranam vraja..."

"Give up all dharmas and religions and simply surrender to Me! I shall protect you, have no fears ! "   Lord Krishna Himself, verse 66, ch 18, Bhagavada Gita As It Is.

Arjuna spoke to his dear Friend Lord Krishna Vasudeva, as to what is truly best to do, and received the above clear instruction.

Simply by seeing the below picture representation, remembering Them, chanting the Names of These Two the Incarnations of Loving Mercy and Deliverance, one goes back to Godhead, of that there is no doubt whatsoever.

It is Sri Caitanya Mahprabhu Who has authorized this presentation of mercy , through the via medium of our disciplic succession directly from Him, Who appeared some 555 years ago in sacred Sri Sri Mayapura dhama, in what is now Bengal.

Vishnupura Mandira (Temple), Bengal

You may also address them as Nitai and Gaura;

Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu, top, Lord Nityananda Balarama, in blue dhoti.

Simply say their Names, ask for Their mercy, They may easily give it!

Nitai and Gaura !
"Unto those who are constant in their bhakti and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come Home to Me."

Lord Shri Krishna, Bhagavada Gita As It Is, purports and translation by His Divine Grace 108 A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.

Lord Krishna, Great King of Dvaraka, washes the feet of His poor brahmana childhood friend, Sudama Vipra, who He has not seen for many years. Tears decorate His lotus face, pardon the somewhat blurred image.
Welcome May 2, 2011 9:02

Arjuna spoke to his dear Friend Lord Krishna Vasudeva, as to what is truly best to do, and received the above clear instruction.

Simply by seeing the below picture representation, remembering Them, chanting the Names of These Two the Incarnations of Loving Mercy and Deliverance, one goes back to Godhead, of that there is no doubt whatsoever.

It is Sri Caitanya Mahprabhu Who has authorized this presentation of mercy , through the via medium of our disciplic succession directly from Him, Who appeared some 555 years ago in sacred Sri Sri Mayapura dhama, in what is now Bengal.

Vishnupura Mandira (Temple), Bengal

You may also address them as Nitai and Gaura;

Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu, top, Lord Nityananda Balarama, in blue dhoti.

Simply say their Names, ask for Their mercy, They may easily give it!

Nitai and Gaura !
"Unto those who are constant in their bhakti and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come Home to Me."

Lord Shri Krishna, Bhagavada Gita As It Is, purports and translation by His Divine Grace 108 A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.

Lord Krishna, Great King of Dvaraka, washes the feet of His poor brahmana childhood friend, Sudama Vipra, who He has not seen for many years. Tears decorate His lotus face, pardon the somewhat blurred image.
Welcome May 2, 2011 11:58

Chanting or vibrating sounds in groups, with instruments, is called sankirtana. Dancing often accompanies.

This video depicts ancient Vedic India the singer is Prahlada Maharajah, born into a demoniac family, much like many of us. His Father, the great King Hiranyakasipu ( means gold and soft beds) had conquered the higher and lower dimesional worlds. However, Naraharideva, the Lion-like Avatara of Lord Krishna, came to save His great devotee Prahlada. This scene is sometimes after the event, as an auspicious sankirtana is starting.

One who is not liberated cannot perform bhakti yoga. However, by attempting to, we gradually become qualified. This is the mercy of the guru.

By the mercy of Krsna, one gets guru, and by the mercy of guru one gets Krsna.

The first understanding is that you are not the body.

We are riders on a machine made of material energy, riders on the storm of material existence. We are inhabitting the physical and subtle material forms, inserted into our life-streams, filling them to our current capacites.

We are in the realm beyond the body, but idenfitying with the bodies, like observors experiencing an amazing ride, the last word in entertainment, as it were! But due to past misdeeds and karmas, we endure a shrunken restricted spiritually handicapped state, that we wish to be rid of, to rise to higher states.

The eternal platform is wanted, beyond death and birth. We desire pure bodies of eterna, blissful knowledge, not just mostly temporary blood and bones.

This lightning path of bhakti yoga can bring you to those things, those things which are rightfully yours, your inheritance from the Richest All Opulent and All Powerful Godhead.

As is our tradition since time immmorial, there is no charge for this knowledge, and our professors take vows of poverty. This knowledge will liberate you.

Blogs

Pure Bhakti Yoga, from Illuminatis Temple; info-flow; Tamoharadasa v.(acbssp)

Requirements for Full Initiation as Disciple of Srila Prabhupada

Ask a dumb Vaisnava a smart question, here ;

“The Creation of the Fourth Order” His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

Sanatana Dharma, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami ; Renes Descartes

5 Primary Rasas in Ecstatic Love of Krishna

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