Mar 22, '08 Unless one out and out denies Srila Prabhupada, the following must be taken as definitive:
"Actually the living entity is originally the spiritual part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, but due to his rebellious nature, he is conditioned within material nature. It really does not matter how these living entities or superior entities of the Supreme Lord have come in contact with material nature. The Supreme Personality of Godhead knows, however, how and why this actually took place."
Gita Purport 13:20
Crow and Tal-fruit Logic; quoted, as it is, from A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada:
"We never had any occasion when we were separated from Krsna. Just like one man is dreaming and he forgets himself. In dream he creates himself in different forms: now I am the King discussing like that. This creation of himself is as seer and subject matter or seen, two things. But as soon as the dream is over, the "seen" disappears. But the seer remains. Now he is in his original position.
Our separation from Krsna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification. Even with Krsna desire for sense gratification is there. There is a dormant attitude for forgetting Krsna and creating an atmosphere for enjoying independently. Just like at the edge of the beach, sometimes the water covers, sometimes there is dry sand, coming and going. Our position is like that, sometimes covered, sometimes free, just like at the edge of the tide. As soon as we forget, immediately the illusion is there. Just like as soon as we sleep, dream is there.
We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. FORMERLY WE WERE WITH KRNSA IN HIS LILA OR SPORT. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration, therefore many creations are coming and going. Due to this long period of time it is sometimes said that we are ever-conditioned. But this long duration of time becomes very insignificant when one actually comes to Krsna consciousness. Just like in a dream we are thinking very long time, but as soon as we awaken we look at our watch and see it has been a moment only. Just like with Krsna's friends, they were kept asleep for one year by Brahma, but when they woke up and Krsna returned before them, they considered that only a moment had passed.
So this dreaming condition is called non-liberated life, and this is just like a dream. Although in this material calculation it is a long, long period, as soon as we come to Krsna consciousness then this period is considered as a second. For example, Jaya and Vijaya. They had their lila with Krsna, but they had to come down for their little mistake. They were given mukti, merging into the brahmasayujya after being killed three times as demons. This brahmasayujya mukti is non-permanent. Every living entity wants pleasure, but brahmasayujya is minus pleasure. There is eternal existence only. So when they do not find transcendental bliss, they fall down to make a compromise with material bliss. Just like Vivekananda founded so many schools and hospitals. So even Lord Brahma, he is still material and wants to lord it over. He may come down to become a germ, but then he may rise up to Krsna consciousness and go back to home, back to Godhead. This is the position.
So when I say Yes, there is eternal lila with Krsna, that means on the evidence of Jaya-Vijaya. Unless one develops full devotional service to Krsna, he goes up only up to brahmasayujya but falls down. But after millions and millions of years of keeping oneself away from the lila of the Lord, when one comes to Krsna consciousness this period becomes insignificant, just like dreaming. BECAUSE HE FALLS DOWN FROM BRHMASAYUJYA HE THINKS THAT MAY BE HIS ORIGIN , but he does not remember that before that even he was with Krsna. So the conclusion is that whatever may be our past, let us come to Krsna consciousness and immediately join Krsna. Just like with a diseased man, it is waste of time to try to find out how he has become diseased, better to spend time curing the disease."
I hope that you will admit to being insignificant, and surrender to the will of God. It is He whom we are to please, not our own exaggerated sense of self-worth in the name of material justice. Judgmental decision making based upon a limited intelligence in the realm of false-egotistic freedom, deludes us instead of leading us to surrender. If it pleases Him to allow us eternal love, or to allow a learning experience of playful temporary fall down, as we are allowed to choose, then that is His pleasure, and I submit to it. Give up tiny jiva-self-interest, or dependence on intelligence tempered by a limited knowledge of Godhead, in this regards, and instead return to His abode, and having learned a lesson or two, never come back to this separatist mentality called material existence. You will surely find eternal happiness, then. Thank you! Hare Krsna
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