This video is in response to the GBC's recent resolution to ban the chanting of "Radhe" at all ISKCON temples and events. This is a controversial topic for m...
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what you describe seems very much to be a symptom of modern society , ...the wish to individualise things , what it appears that you are saying is that Srila Prabhupada liked the traditional approach and was not so keen on others adding over elaborate florishes , this argument has also come up before with the use of western instruments and the adition of african drums to kirtan .
for me , ...and I can say this only as a servant of sri radha krsna , ...the pastimes of the divine couple are not easily understood and the relationship so personal that we should not try to inturpret it by our mundane understanding , ..there fore I can very much see the point that we should not try to alter the formular for worship or chanting as per our own whim .
possibly the problem lay in devotees hearing about the divine relationship between Radha and Krsna as being so special and only to be understood at a very high level , that they automaticaly want to glorify an individual personification of sri radha , where as in truth Radha and Krsna are inseperable one canot sepperate Radheshyam , so in this way we are projecting our mundane understanding of personalities onto the divine couple ?
I would also be happy to reserve the chanting of Radha bhajans for more special and more private occasions .
I for one follow the same old format for Temple kirtan, though for Harinama or 24-hour bhajana etc., then almost anything goes, in my cheap opinion .
Told timing format; 1 Namah Om visnupadaya...
Namaster Saravati deve...
each one or twice only,
then 2 Jaya Sri Krsna Caitanya...
roughly thrice
then lots of 3 Hare Krsna mantra.
Jaya Prabhupada is often added!! Jaya! 1-3 times, plus Names of local Deities is very very nice and auspicious.
Hari haraya namah Krsna may be added for spice once or twice nearer the end, or some Jaya Jagannatha or etc depending on the occasions, then pranams....
And Narasimha mantras following....
In street kirtan or artistic bhjana etc there is lots of leeway to get artistic if you wish. I recall several times at Sridhama Mayapura in '74, Srila Prabhupada was not pleased by overly elaborately concocted chanting processes, and in our Temples, it was always as described. Jaya Radhe was chanted aloud during Radhastami etc, not otherwise. Not that there was objection, it was just not usual.
- even when Riksaraj and others added variations, Srila Prabhupada was not pleased, said"they were singing to attract women!" Gurukrpa and Acyutananda always pleased Srila Prabhupada though, being true to the format, predominantly. Visnujana Swami produced beautiful bhajan music as well as pukka kirtana.
-Srila Prabhupada also liked shenai and Bengali bands, even had it played loudly daily in Mayapura such that it could be heard over kilometers.
_ Srila Prabhupada himself had many beautiful bhajans, and many lovely uplifting tunes! Jaya Radhe Radhe was not often one of them. Perhaps it is found unseemly or upstartish in our austere and formal Gaudiya lineage ?
I would be interested as to what Srila Prabhupada would have advised in such a situation , and also in the thoughts of the members here ? I actualy remember a vidio of Srila Prabhupada talking about the tendancy to wish to make alterations to mantras chanted , in which case he simply recomended the chanting of mahamantra as being the most appropriate .prehaps you know of this video ?
however chanting jay sri Radhe in kirtan is not exactly the same thing as altering mantra ...your thoughts ?
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namaskaram Tamohara das ji
hare krsna
what you describe seems very much to be a symptom of modern society , ...the wish to individualise things , what it appears that you are saying is that Srila Prabhupada liked the traditional approach and was not so keen on others adding over elaborate florishes , this argument has also come up before with the use of western instruments and the adition of african drums to kirtan .
for me , ...and I can say this only as a servant of sri radha krsna , ...the pastimes of the divine couple are not easily understood and the relationship so personal that we should not try to inturpret it by our mundane understanding , ..there fore I can very much see the point that we should not try to alter the formular for worship or chanting as per our own whim .
possibly the problem lay in devotees hearing about the divine relationship between Radha and Krsna as being so special and only to be understood at a very high level , that they automaticaly want to glorify an individual personification of sri radha , where as in truth Radha and Krsna are inseperable one canot sepperate Radheshyam , so in this way we are projecting our mundane understanding of personalities onto the divine couple ?
I would also be happy to reserve the chanting of Radha bhajans for more special and more private occasions .
I for one follow the same old format for Temple kirtan, though for Harinama or 24-hour bhajana etc., then almost anything goes, in my cheap opinion .
Told timing format; 1 Namah Om visnupadaya...
Namaster Saravati deve...
each one or twice only,
then 2 Jaya Sri Krsna Caitanya...
roughly thrice
then lots of 3 Hare Krsna mantra.
Jaya Prabhupada is often added!! Jaya! 1-3 times, plus Names of local Deities is very very nice and auspicious.
Hari haraya namah Krsna may be added for spice once or twice nearer the end, or some Jaya Jagannatha or etc depending on the occasions, then pranams....
And Narasimha mantras following....
In street kirtan or artistic bhjana etc there is lots of leeway to get artistic if you wish. I recall several times at Sridhama Mayapura in '74, Srila Prabhupada was not pleased by overly elaborately concocted chanting processes, and in our Temples, it was always as described. Jaya Radhe was chanted aloud during Radhastami etc, not otherwise. Not that there was objection, it was just not usual.
- even when Riksaraj and others added variations, Srila Prabhupada was not pleased, said"they were singing to attract women!" Gurukrpa and Acyutananda always pleased Srila Prabhupada though, being true to the format, predominantly. Visnujana Swami produced beautiful bhajan music as well as pukka kirtana.
-Srila Prabhupada also liked shenai and Bengali bands, even had it played loudly daily in Mayapura such that it could be heard over kilometers.
_ Srila Prabhupada himself had many beautiful bhajans, and many lovely uplifting tunes! Jaya Radhe Radhe was not often one of them. Perhaps it is found unseemly or upstartish in our austere and formal Gaudiya lineage ?
namaskaram
Hare Krsna ,
I would be interested as to what Srila Prabhupada would have advised in such a situation , and also in the thoughts of the members here ? I actualy remember a vidio of Srila Prabhupada talking about the tendancy to wish to make alterations to mantras chanted , in which case he simply recomended the chanting of mahamantra as being the most appropriate .prehaps you know of this video ?
however chanting jay sri Radhe in kirtan is not exactly the same thing as altering mantra ...your thoughts ?