A note from Mahesh Raj Prabhu re GGS and Site issues

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Tamohara Prabhu

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Please accept my humble obeisances

Hare Krsna!

Gaura Govinda swami PRETENDED to be Pure devotee he DISOBEYED Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada ORDERED Ritvik system.There was NO ORDER for him that he was Guru (please read below WHEN I order) You can NOT disobey the Guru. Either you accept the Ritvik System Or you do not. Simple as that. Sridhar maharaja,Narayana Maharaja and Gaura Govinda swami were all against Srila Prabhupada as the Unique Diksa guru for ISKCON. They wanted to COMPETE with Srila Prabhupada as the DIKSA guru of ISKCON. They were envious of Srila Prabhupada's success:

Use both Yahoo and Google searches as sometimes they refer you to other nonsense articles instead of mine:

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WHEN I order

Dear Mahesh Prabhu et al;  Obeisances, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Thanks for writing, I always liked your articles, though not always agreeing with them. I am a simple devotee, dont know much. All I know is related to notions of loyalty to Srila Prabhupada and team spirit.

Kindly consider this simple but profound sentence; No two persons are ever exactly alike. For example Srila Bhakitsiddhanta Saraswati ordered 64 rounds, whereas Srila Praphupada preferred sankirtana, evidence shown below;

"All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I, one, may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It is not that I give an order, 'Here is the next leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership is the leader.... All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don't want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who is following is perfect."

(Srila Prabhupada, Back to Godhead magazine, Vol. 13, No. 1-2)

BY HIS DIVINE GRACE A. C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA

My advice to you under the circumstances is that at least for one hour you must all go to have sankirtana outside on the streets or in the park. That is your life and soul, first business. The next business is completing the chanting of 16 rounds every day. The next business is your editing. And if you find extra time then you can attend the temple ceremonies. Otherwise you can stop these activities. But outdoor kirtana, your editing work, and chanting of 16 rounds must be done. Outdoor kirtana must be done, even at the cost of suspending all editorial work. That is your first and foremost business. Temple worship is not so important. If need be, the whole temple can be locked. But the outdoor kirtana cannot be stopped.

(Letter to Rayarama, 17 May 1969)

"So, it is the duty of every Indian to make his life perfect by understanding Bhagavad-gītā at least, and spread the message. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. Yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128].

Every one of you can become a guru. He says that. Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128].

Wherever you are, you can deliver the persons, surrounding persons in your neighborhood. "How can I become guru? I have no qualification." No. There is no need of qualification. Simply repeat. Yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128].

Very simple thing. Anyone you meet, "My dear friend, just hear little." "What is that?" Now, Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You kindly think of Kṛṣṇa. Just offer your obeisances to Kṛṣṇa, just become a bhakta and chant His holy name. Bas. Your guru duty is finished.

So, it is not very difficult task. Anyone can do this. And then everyone will be benefited. And that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Thank you very much."

Tdasa; We can easily take our Hare Krsna movement back from the hands of usurpers and globalist powers. How? by following Srila Prabhupada's instructions. Each brahmana disciple of Srila Prabhupada should form their own web site or local congregational sankirtana organization. Follow our same principles as we did in the seventies in good temples. Gather members, teach new ones well. Elect officers, a president, and after a year for those who have expressed a desire and properly the standards, upon request and agreement among officers in general, the president(s) decides and can recommend them to Srila Prabhupada for initiation, as the devotee sangas and temple presidents have always done, and thus give them initiations by fire sacrifice, first and second. We have tapes of Srila Prabhupada's gayatri if you need them. We are nonprofit incorporated in Canada.

If we all do this, we take the control out of the hands of the GBCists and the fanatics trying to control Srila Prabhupada's Movement. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada !

So, to my opening point; no two persons are ever exactly alike. Some are fortunate, or unfortunate!, and are given a specific duty by Srila Prabhupada. Srila Gour Govinda Swami lived up to that service. Only some kind of professional fault-finder faults a Godbrother who is a sinlesssannyasi and loyal preacher and servant of Srila Prabhupada. This is surely on account of their own inability to harmonize differences which they preceive due to a material mentality and envy.

Please chant Hare Krsna, and I further request readers or associates to cease and desist spying on our home site, attacking and poisonning our members, and deprecating our difficult services. Two can play at that game, and we as a group can wrestle pretty good also, sometimes! Hare Krsna!

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Sunday, April 22, 2012 3:29:31 PM

visit https://puredevoteeseva.ning.com/ for pure service to Srila Prabhupada. HDG Srila GGS disciples are also invited to associate with us.

"All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I, one, may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It is not that I give an order, 'Here is the next leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership is the leader.... All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don't want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who is following is perfect."
(Srila Prabhupada, Back to Godhead magazine, Vol. 13, No. 1-2)

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HDG Srila Gour Govinda GoSwami Maharajah Thakura

Our Godbrother, siksa guru, and advanced pure devotee, he was born in a family of pure Oriyan Caitanya Rupanuga devotees, resident of Jagannatha Puri dhama, trained in deity worship of Gopal, kirtana and sadhana and sastra from infancy, he eventually renounced his family, including wife and sons, and government brahminical post teaching career, at age 52-ish, to wander as a poor beggar in the Holy Places, in search of his Gurudeva, rejecting all others. Sri Gopal Jiu finally sent him to Vrndavana , and there in the sacred dhama, he was given diksa, brahminical, and sannyasa, all within weeks of each other, by the loving hand of Srila Prabhupada personally, and sent alone by him, with a mrdanga and a bead bag, to chant beneath a Bodhi tree, and instructions to preach there in Oriyan language, and thus ISKCON Orissa was born. He later told Gour Govinda to accept followers, but not to leave Iskcon.

Maharajah displayed full siddhi and svarupa realization, this confirmed by advanced sannyasis in Iskcon and in Gaudiya Maths also. He was silent for hours and days, spending all his time transalting Srila Prabhupada's books into Oriyan langauge and preaching them. He never wrote any books of his own, but religiously spent all his energy serving Srila Prabhupada. his disciples later complied his lecturing into very nice books, good to read, reinforcing of strength to your faith in Srila Prabhupada and bhaktiseva and rasa. He regularly received prophetic communications from his Gopal Jiu, and performed miracles, this confirmed by witnesses. So, he reluctantly acted as actually qualified diksa guru within Iskcon after Srila Prabhupada's departure, by order of the GBC, but never occupied any of Srila Prabhupada's temples, rather he built, even i helped in a tiny way, Tamoharadasa, and he was given explicit and implicit complete charge and authorization by Srila Prabhupada while he was still with us. (We actually lived in a mud hut, not even mosquito nets, until i got some, Hare Krsna!)

Yes, he said one should hear by all means from a live spiritual master while they are with us, not impersonally just read and ignore the devotee,and Srila Prabhupada said exactly the same thing ! BOTH of them issued tapes, showing they both used technology. GGS of course accpted the ritivk initiation process, as he accepted and worshipped the Western devotees as his gurus and of course never questioned the initiation by priest process.We all had ritvik priests do our ceremonies in those days, and gayatri by tape recorder. Maharajah accepted this, never said anything against it ever. He also rejected all other associations compared to our simple pure preaching programs worldwide, all other maths etc. I was amazed that his whole Oriyan Vaisnava family and vilage culture, including tunes, acaryas, philosophy traditions etc. was exactly that of our international new Iskcon society, ie the Oriyan Rupagugas, and our Canada yatras were the same! GGS is very much strict Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON. He was exactly the same as all us other Godbrothers in all his daily habits and beliefs, except purer and most perfect.

He NEVER deviated an inch from his sannyasa vows, lived simply for Srila Prabhupada's service, and was jolly and unpresupposing, expecting nothing in reward and rejecting all honors except basic ashram of sannyasi unless I absolutely forced him; i begged him to accept honors or respect by accepting this small pillow on the floor vyasasana, for the sake of preaching to others! - sitting on a thin pillow on the dirt ground on a rice mat, only on Sundays before the crowd, when he gave his Sunday feast talks for our guests. He did not want this honor and rejected it twice, but i pushed, and as it was his revered Western Godbrother demanding he do it for sake of the ashrama of ours, our preachings' sake, he conceded and did it nicely thenceforth as required by us. He formerly never preached to us, as we were above him! Thus, by Krsna's will we may have dragged him down from Utthama Paramhamsa to more like a Madhyama Parivrajakacarya, and he started to preach more widely and with necessary aggressive force, but always in good humor, jolly, loving, selfless, austere, clean, devoted, renounced merciful, learned, grave, heartful. Jolly , smiling, a delight to all! Best of the servants of Prabhupada, Gurudeva is One.

He travelled the continents, but was banned in many places by jealous GBCists. Acting according to Srila Prabhupada 's explicit and strict instructions to him personally, he never left the bogus Iskcon, despite his Oriyan sanga begging him to do so, but rather sacrificed his all and was eventually martyred in Mayapura trying to reform the movement.

" HDG GGM is an amazing MAHA BHAGAVATA rasika bhakta of the Lord HE knows all the sastra by smrti memory. I met him in Soho temple.

SRI DURGA DEVI appeared to GGM in HIS room in BHUVANESVAR and told HIM," so at last you got rid of me !" then SHE left. HH GGM called a devotee and told him, "call that girl that just left my room." - but that devotee could not find HER anywhere anymore.

i considered myself lucky to had the chance to know who the real devotees are after SRILA PRABHUPADA, never mind we can still get the mercy of HDG GGM HDG ACBSP in vani seva not in vapu , i think is better also because there is not the danger to offend the pure devotees of the lord by take THEM as ordinary people..."

Abhaya Carana Seva dasa Prabhu

All Glories to his lotus feet!

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Reply by Basu Gopal Das 4 minutes ago

I agree with Tamohara Prabhu.

But seeing we are talking about The Pandavas and the Kauravas--- lets talk about the History of Family
Squabbling.

Family squabbling has its good points and its bad points. In this family squabble a universal drama
was created which enabled the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna -- at its very climax- to speak the Bhagavad Gita
and set things straight.

When it comes to trouble, Krishna and His teaching or any incarnation of Vishnu,
is often the deciding factor that sets religiosity on the right course.
We as devotees of the Lord and Sri Guru and Gouranga are also engaged in a squabble.
The squabble is the "Lineage of Srila Prabhupada".
Who shall inherit the lineage of Srila Prabhupada?
Shall it be in the possesion of an organization( for example-- the GBC authority)
or is it the inheritance of all the living beings.
Shall it be distributed for the sake of all the devotees or should it be in the possesion of a few--
the elect of self declared syncophants?
Now there is a subject for serious discussion--------

Truth is more powerful than Gold or Silver

[Tamohara dasa ADMIN.]

Hare Krsna Tamohara dasa Prabhuji
Dandavats Pranams
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada

 

Dear prabhuji, I am sorry to hear what happened to you and your websites. From one of your previous comments I quote "One of you appears to have criminally hacked my accounts, engaged in fraud and malicious slander, with an intent to cause maximum harm to me and my professional business. This is very low and sudra-like. The commercial fraud division of RCMP of Canada has been contacted and a file started."

 

I assure you prabhuji that the HKS is not involved in such actions nor would the HKS do such a thing. The reason i am responding is that i am the webservant for the HKS so all comments come to me. I have sent your comments to both Yasoda nandana and Damaghosa Prabhuji who are also CCed on here, and from my understanding they would not know where to begin with hacking a website or an account.

 

When the RCMP finds out who has done this kindly let us know, there is no reason why any of the members would want to destroy the Hare Krishna Movement or any other sangas following Srila Prabhupada that is plain nonsense and demonic, when they have given practically all their lives to promoting, protecting and defending our eternal spiritual master Srila Prabhupada, whom we have all taken shelter in.

 

I wish you luck in finding the demonic personality who has done this and please forgive me for any offenses

 

hoping you are well

 

Kirtaniya Sada Harih!!!

 

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Hari Bol
Your Humble Servant
Nityananda Rama dasa naradhama
http://www.krishnaconsciousnessmovement.com/

"If you concoct, 'I am more intelligent than my Guru,'
'I can make additions and alterations,' then you are finished."
-- Srila Prabhupada lecture July 12, 1975 Philadelphia Pa.