Roupa Manjari Devi Dasi Kshamabuddhi Prabhu, sometimes I feel that the management presently offers newcomers, such as myself in 2005, limited access to Srila Prabhupada "As He Is", meaning His Original Vani, His beautiful Kirtan Melodies, classic ISKCON Kirtan, and on a more subtle level, a sense of direction toward His Lotus Feet. Do you think if people were instructed, "Go to Srila Prabhupada, learn from Him directly, accept His Words and His Example as your Model to follow in all respects", that things would be different? would there be a tangible result in the quality of the consciousness of these newer, younger generations?
Kshamabuddhi Dasa Myself, I think the days of the big institutional cult model of ISKCON are long gone. Why should anyone take shelter of an organization that has shown consistently for over 35 years that the management is a burdensome leviathan that can't put one foot in front of the other? I have moved on from ISKCON a long time ago and would recommend to others to steer clear of that cult as well.
The GBC can only hold you back if you take shelter of them. If you keep your wits about yourself and stay away from GBC authority you should do just fine reading Prabhupada's books and chanting Hare Krishna. No big bulky burdensome bureaucracy required to make spiritual advancement. Small groups of like-minded devotees is better. Creat small groups who get along and forget about the Dinosaur called ISKCON.
Tamohara Dasa KD; this is necessary and good advice you give. Itsagon co. is inhabitted by Freemason agents etc and is most inauspicious. I would never send anyone to them nowadays lest they be consumed by them. Therefore, the preaching style changes, and we have a small internet site instead for newcomers. When some un-understanding persons criticize our efforts, it is less than helpful, so we just block them. Believe me, if you try to follow SP nicely, a thousand will come forward to say nasty things, so one has to be tough and transcendental.- Kshamabuddhi Dasa See, here in the Alachua/High Springs/Gainesville area we have a nice ISKCON temple. There are about a thousand devotees around this whole area who show up for large and wonderful festival programs. There is gorgeous deity worship and lots of nice devotees of a fairly wide variety. The large majority of us are just congregational devotees who do not in any way function under GBC authority or allow them to dictate anything to us about how or where we should live. We show up for great festivals, chant Hare Krishna, take prasadam and meet nice devotees. We don't have people running around spouting off and criticizing the GBC or temple authorities. We just come for the program and the association and leave the politics alone. It works just fine for those of us who work for a living instead of entering the ashram of ISKCON to have our lives controlled the the TP and the GBC. That is enough. A nice temple, nice deities,nice prasadam and lots of nice and lovely devotees. What is the problem? The haven't kicked me out of the temple in the last 17 years and I am a known vocal critic on the internet. So, I don't see what the problem is. Why do devotees want to join a cult and turn their lives over to some bureaucrats on a committee? Cheaters and the cheated I guess.
Work for a living and go to the temple for programs and leave your politics at home. It works for me. - Tamohara Dasa This is all good, except that some of us are not satisfied until the murderers are exposed and justice is served. Perhaps it is impossible at this point, but we feel the necessity to try to set things right again. Not everyone can afford to move to Florida and live there, so communities have to be built online and preferably on the ground, which requires preaching, and one inevitably comes up against the Behemoth, and must therefore explain what it is to newcomers. When one has a website devoted to new devotee, one has a responsibility to explain things, and so the irresolved history is in one's face constantly. Then if one starts a community, so many envious persons come out to try to destroy it, and insert questionable garbage like blasting the demons with orgon energy and psychic attacks etc. and other outside influences, so again one is under heavy pressure to eject non-Srila Prabhupada influences, otherwise it is a free-for-all of crapola.
- Kshamabuddhi Dasa Well, here at my home, my son and I follow Bhaktiratna Sadhu Swami. My son talks to him on the phone regularly, does service on internet projects and some things etc. etc.
I live in my own universe. I don't subscribe to anyone's prescribed stereotype. I love Bhaktiratna Sadhu and I am also a Jesusonian based upon Urantia Book writings. So, I live in a totally unique bubble of my own and that is the way I like it. I don't have all the answers for the ritviks or the GBC, but I have the answers to my own search, that is all.
I recommend Sadhu Maharaja to anyone searching for a high grade Gaudiya guru from India.
This ritvik business is really not my concern anymore, but I still have an opinion. - Kshamabuddhi Dasa As far as exposing the murderers, I learned well from Christ Jesus that even he the creator god of the universe does not stand in judgement upon his children. I am not the judge. Jesus is not the judge. Lord Brahma does not judge his children. The judge in the Vedic concept is Yamaraja, the judge who administers universe law. So, I will leave the judging and prosecuting of any killers etc. up to Yamaraja because it is his job and his job alone, though he is certainly a gracious enforcer of universe law looking for some redeeming qualities in the person.
- Tamohara Dasa So explain that to the newcomers, who then forgive the poisoners, and join a cult and are raped and and exploited by phony Jesuses. Responsibility, my friend, responsibility. PS my adi guru is Lord Jesus, God bless him.
- Kshamabuddhi Dasa there again. cheaters and cheated. my kids were never molested and they love the temple because they keep a respectable distance from the innter cult. new people get cheated are unfortunate. there are lots of unfortunate people of all types in the world and I don't have all the answers to their problems. just following my own narrow path to the abode of the Gods.
- Kshamabuddhi Dasa Do your duty, Follow your own karmic path but do it with Krishna consciousness. This cult lifestyle is bad and always leads to these kinds of results. I do not endorse cult ashram lifestyles. I lived it when it was good so I know the difference. Stay away from cults. Get close to devotees but stay away from cults with bureaucracies. If you play with fire and get burned whose fault is that?
- Tamohara Dasa I appreciate this reply, KD. So, let us make hippies into happies! Hare krshna, obeisances, Godbrother. "This cult lifestyle is bad and always leads to these kinds of results. I do not endorse cult ashram lifestyles. I lived it when it was good so I know the difference. Stay away from cults." well said!
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If Ksamabudhhi prabhu is correct, then the itsacon co is falling a apart, but i somehow dont think thats correct. We expect this, but the banksters are backing it up with heavy money. We have to bring down the banksters.