1. "Up until today(Sept 24, 2012) there is no evidence that Srila Prabhupada ever gave any specific order to anyone for becoming a diksa guru in ISKCON. Only there is a general order to preach. However, becoming a diksa guru to be worshiped as good as God, according to Prabhupada, requires a specific direct order that one should initiate their own disciples and accept to be worshiped."
Madhavananda dasa, Prabhupadanugas EU.
Reply by Tamohara dasa acbssp
Srila Prabhupada had no written authorization to be guru, but was sent by his spiritual master alone to the West with a few books, to preach, and instruction to preach in English.
"All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I, one, may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It is not that I give an order, 'Here is the next leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership is the leader.... All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don't want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who is following is perfect."
Srila Prabhupada, Back to Godhead magazine, Vol. 13, No. 1-2
2. "Unless one is a pure devotee of the highest order one cannot assume a position of consuming other peoples karma by initiating them. And any honest devotee would not think themselves fit to accept being worshiped as good as God. Thus the position requires a specific order from one’s spiritual master. Up until today, there is no such evidence that Srila Prabhupada ever gave anyone such an order."
Madhavananda dasa, Prabhupadanugas EU.
Reply by Tamohara dasa acbssp
Srila Prabhupada sent the pure devotee Gour Govinda Swami alone with a mrdanga and bead bag, after giving him both initiations and sannyasa within a short time span in Vrndavana, to Bhubnaeswara to preach. Does this sound like someone else we know? Such as Srila Prabhupada himself, sent by Srila Bhaktisiddhanata Saraswati, in a most similar fashion? This is strong evidence.
He told Gour Govinda Maharajaha that the Bhubaneswara Temple would be one of the most important in Iskcon. He told Maharajah to open a Krsna-Balarmama Temple like in Vrndavana, with brass Deities, and red sandstone if possible, and this he has mostly completed. He told Maharajah in due course he must make his own men for preaching work etc there. Maharajah told us all these things in Bhubaneswara back in 1977. This is solid evidence, coming from a completely honest pure devotee, with nothing personal to gain and no evidence of any sense gratification or desires for profit etc.
Srila Gour Govinda displayed all the symptoms of an advanced pure devotee diksa guru, including bhava /prema and performance of miracles. He perfectly controlled his senses, never sinned, and was cent per cent engaged in pure service all the time. He said that he was authorized by Srila Prabhupada to do diksas. That is solid sastric pukka pure and perfect evidence, where does Madhavananada get the statement "..there is no evidence" when it is all over the place? Obviously, he is trying to con SOMEone?
The actual system is that elected temple presidents can recommend those who wish diksa to Srila Prabhupada, do the ceremony, and it is done. that is the system we always used, and Srila Prabhupada told us No Change !!! He also said to add ritvik priests as needed, and never rescinded that TP's would continue to recommend, be voted in for terms, and that no GBC is needed nor involved. This takes the power away from the usurper committees. Jaya Srila Prabhupada !
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Yes the anti ritvik are blind but even so the ritviks themselves fighting against one another and etc. Stephen voith has been one of the first to be talking about such things and the murder of sulochan even confronting them at ratha yatras risking his life and the ISKCON BANGALORE used his videos and copyrighted them. I am sorry but that is thievery and cheating I dont care how ritvik they are, they did not ask permission to take his videos nor if it was alright for them to post it on their website. Whosoever is part of ISKCON BANGALORE needs to rightfully put Stephen voith name in the videos or give him recognition and take down the copyright and give him credit for the videos he has made.
Hare Krsna
I have found from personal encounters that Iskcon Bangalore harbors more than one den of thieves. Ali Pada and the forty thieves is one, so many of the Prabhupadanugas are liars and abusers of other devotees, it is a shame and is ruining the ritvik cause by loading it with false propaganda lies to fool everyone, orders via the CIA/Illuminati et al, indirectly and directly.
On top of this, they are funded by the lowest scummy vermin globalists on Earth, so like funder like son, i always say! lol! But someone there is corrupt, that is sure, though surely not all, just as in our days in Iskcon, there were the corrupt, and there were the innocents.