Rukmini Ramana dd says: re making devotees 25. February 2013

[Tamohara dasa ADMIN.]

Rukmini Ramana dd says:

25. February 2013 at 4:16 am

This argument that it is best to not accept any disciples is further explained by Prabhupada in Nectar of Devotion. One should not accept disciples for personal prestige, however, when it comes to increase the Sankirtan movement, things are different in the line of Caitanya Mahaprabhu:

“However, Lord Caitanya’s causeless mercy is such that He advised all bona fide spiritual masters to speak about Krsna consciousness everywhere. Therefore, in the line of Lord Caitanya even the sannyasis can speak about Krsna consciousness everywhere, and if someone is seriously inclined to become a disciple, the sannyasi always accepts him.

The one point is that without increasing the number of disciples, there is no propagation of the cult of Krsna consciousness. Therefore, sometimes even at a risk, a sannyasi in the line of Caitanya Mahaprabhu may accept even a person who is not thoroughly fit to become a disciple. Later on, by the mercy of such a bona fide spiritual master, the disciple is gradually elevated. However, if one increases the number of disciples simply for some prestige or false honor, he will surely fall down in the matter of executing Krsna consciousness.

Similarly, a bona fide spiritual master has no business reading many books simply to show his proficiency or to get popularity by lecturing in different places. One should avoid all these things. It is also stated that a sannyasi should not be enthusiastic about constructing temples. We can see in the lives of various acaryas in the line of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu that they are not very enthusiastic about constructing temples. However, if somebody comes forward to offer some service, the same reluctant acaryas will encourage the building of costly temples by such servitors. For example, Rupa Gosvami was offered a favor by Maharaja Mansingh, the commander-in-chief of Emperor Akhbar, and Rupa Gosvami instructed him to construct a large temple for Govindaji, which cost vast amounts of money.”

Nectar of Devotion
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Chapter Seven
Evidence Regarding Devotional Principles
Accepting the Shelter of a Bona Fide Spiritual Master

[Tamohara dasa ADMIN.]

abhaya carana seva das says:

23. February 2013 at 11:19 pm

pamho agtACBSP, SRI NITYANANDA TRAYODASI KI JAI,

well to tell you the truth BVK Swami simply speaks about that there is an order. BVK Swami, Rocana&co always avoid to explain the actual qualification of a fully self-realized spiritual master, pure devotee. Prabhupada says in that same lecture: “Acarya means who is spreading pure bhakti cult. “That acarya”, Krishna says, “you should consider such acarya as Myself.” Acaryam mam vijaniyat navamanyeta karhicit…” (Mayapur, April 6, 1975)

In other words, an acarya according Prabhupada is a fully realized pure devotee. Whereas BVK Swami and his colleagues come up with theoretical book knowledge and wearing the Vaishnava dress is enough. No!

Srila Prabhupada: “Just like a medical man. A medical man, if he wants to practice, then he must get certificate from the medical board, registration. The medical board will see whether he is qualified as a medical man, whether he has passed medical examination. Then he will be allowed to practice as a medical man. So whenever a medical practitioner gives you a prescription along with his name, he gives his title, M.D., B.S. and registered number. That means he is approved. Then he can practice. This is common sense affairs in the every state, a lawyer is given certificate by the government. Then he is allowed.” (Mayapur, June 15, 1973)

Similarly, it is the duty of the GBC to check whether their candidates have passed examination and are situated on that platform of pure bhakti cult.

Prabhupada goes on in that same lecture to explain: “One who is not spreading—he is cultivating Krsna consciousness for his personal benefit in a secluded place, sitting and chanting—that is also nice, but he’s not acarya. Acarya means he must spread.”

Our advice for BVKS Swami is to visit those countries all over Europe where there have been one after the other ten and more fall-downs of ISKCON gurus and bear this damage. Presently BVK Swami is hiding somewhere in India at some “oasis of happiness” and won’t come out.

So all this nonsense will increase in future because they are still going on at kalo sudra platform to simply dress up like acarya without checking qualification/authorization,

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[Tamohara dasa ADMIN.]

In his article entitled "Conditioned Souls as Diksha Gurus? An Indefensible Position", Sattvic Prabhu concludes with the following:

"A madhyam-adikary can act as guru but cannot act as a diksha guru, since the prospective disciple cannot advance under his insufficient guidance.

Only the liberated maha-bhagavata uttama-adikari can initiate disciples and perform the function of a diksha guru by dispensing divya jnana and removing the sinful reactions from the heart of the disciple."

However, the following quote from Srila Prabhupada's purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 2.3.21 says:

"As stated hereinbefore, there are three kinds of devotees of the Lord. The first-class devotee does not at all see anyone who is not in the service of the Lord, but the second-class devotee makes distinctions between devotees and nondevotees. The second-class devotees are therefore meant for preaching work, and as referred to in the above verse, they must loudly preach the glories of the Lord. The second-class devotee accepts disciples from the section of third-class devotees or nondevotees. Sometimes the first-class devotee also comes down to the category of the second-class devotee for preaching work."

So, it's very clear that the second-class devotee (aka madhyama-adhikari) is "meant for preaching work", but also "second-class devotee accepts disciples from the section of third-class devotees or nondevotees."

As far as first-class (aka uttama-adhikari) devotee is concerned, Srila Prabhupada says that: "Sometimes the first-class devotee also comes down to the category of the second-class devotee for preaching work", which clearly shows that the conclusion, "Only the liberated maha-bhagavata uttama-adhikari can initiate disciples and perform the function of a diksha guru..." is simply not in accordance with the Bhaktivedanta purports.

your servant,
Gour-Gadadhara dasa

[Tamohara dasa ADMIN.]

a madhyama adhikari is also a liberated soul! Kanistha is not, but madhyama is, utthama is of the highest qulaity. Madhyama is of two categories, 1. those who are of pure faith but not so good at scripturals quotes etc, and 2. those who are both. Ed.