Dear friends,
Kindly note that two lectures on Evolution of Consciousness as per
following schedule;
Talk 1: Sorry, Darwin: Chemistry Never Made the Transition to Biology
By: Bhakti Niskama Shanta (Ph.D. IIT-Kharagpur)
Venue: L5; Date : 26th August 2014; Time: 6-7 PM
Talk 2: Darwin Under Siege from Embryology, Homology and Genetics
By: Bhaktivijnana Muni, Ph.D. IIT-Kharagpur)
Venue: L5; Date : 27th August 2014; Time: 6-7 PM
The two speakers are from Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute, Siliguri
(scsiscs.org). Under the guidance of Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja,
Ph.D. (Serving Director, Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture &
Science, Princeton, USA: bviscs.org) they are regularly travelling to
various leading universities and colleges (find list on youtube:
scienceandscientist.org/videos) to deliver talks on 'Origin of Life' and
'Origin of Matter'. They are organizing Second International Conference
'Science and Scientist - 2014' at Acharya Nagarajuna University at Guntur,
AP, India during 28-29 November 2014. Conference details can be found at:
scsiscs.org/conference
All are cordially invited to attend these lectures
Looking forward to your reply.
With regards,
Prof. D. P. Mishra,
Subject Editor, International Journal of Hydrogen Energy,
Combustion Lab,
Department of Aerospace Engineering,
Indian Institute of Technology,
Kanpur-208 016
Phone : 91-512-2597125
http://www.iitk.ac.in/aero/dpm/index.htm
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Good day!
Progession of increasing in blissful varieties, is expressed by the Vedas as the nature of Godhead, the sarva karana karanam. Sri Isopanisad explains that the Source, sarva karana, is self-complete whole, atma-rama, and that many representative expansions or "wholes", part-and-parcel jivas, emanate from that originating source. That the material bodies which we currently inhabit also display some degree of this tendency towards ever-increasing facility and proximity to perfection, is then a given, a localized expression of Krsna's nature.
Thus adaptation and change to accomodate the desires and karma of the jivas inhabbiting the material body is expected, as all things are but small expansions reflecting the originating Nature of Godhead. Evolution or adaptation is but an expression of the spiritual nature,"frozen" into cold dense slow molecules, yet ultimately driven by the spiritual nature. E=MC2, similarly, spirit energy can be brought down to a mundane frequency, as energy can be frozen as matter.
Karma restricts our access to suitable vehicles to inform ourselves, hence the importance of cultivating by chanting , which destroys bad karmas and allows us to be eligible for true knowledge, enabling us to understand and see, and thus perfectly manifest our true natures despite the encumbrance of varieties of restricted human and other forms.
Just some thoughts....
Tamohara dasa, Msc.
Dear Prof Mishra:
For the past 50 years I have been expressing views against Darwin's
evolution theory. I do not agree that today's human beings have evolved from
Apes or Monkeys. Today we see monkeys at one end and we see humans at the
other. Where are the intermediate products in this chain? Why could not they
survive?
Human race has less than 60,00 years existence. Cockroaches are here for
over 65 million years! Where is the evolution in cockroaches or ants ? Why
only Monkeys should evolve? Human gene has arrived from outside the earth
and separately evolved, responding to climate change.
Could you kindly pass-on this e-mail to the speakers?
Best regards
Dr Shrikant D. LIMAYE
Pune
Hello Limayeji,
I agree with you. I think every geologist will also agree with you.
I have moved to Perth permanently. I am retired, now.
With regards.
Verma
Dear MRN Murthy et al; Aug 25, 2014
"May, trust, and appears to be", these are the key words, which I must point out in your thoughtful reply, dear Dr. ? That is alright, in experimental science, of course, but grounds us in speculations based on limited human intelligence, as opposed to that knowledge given from above by the Creator.
Allow me to point out; D arwin's in-between has not been explained at all. Where is the evolutionary advantages for example, to a 1/2 rotary organ for mobility in a rotarian micro-animal? It appears rather that all the extremely complex informations for producing such a complex mechanical system as a functionning rotor come already perfectly formed from nothing, there is no halfway organism, no half-rotor that has any function, there is no half-a-rotary organ which has any evolutionary use, but rather would impede the growth and mobility of the organism. It appears that other factors control the process other than what evolutionary Darwinian survival-of-the-fittest theories would suggest.
Just to be clear, population studies actually reveal that those incapable die off, leaving the majority of a population to survive and reproduce, as opposed to the notion of the best surviving due to evolutionary advantages, as in Darwin et al.
I dare to posit; What we actually observe is intelligent control and creation, there is nothing random. This is observable, there is no need for "may bes". By Occams razor we must reject such speculation as actually unobservable, there is no such fossil record of step-by-step evolution. Changes of bodies are seen, yes, in leaps, but Darwin's gradualistic ideas are too simplistic and miss the vital Supersoul. Without understanding karma and the spiritual self, there can be no final conclusions.
Sincerely
Tamohara dasa , MSc.
From: M. R. N. Murthy <mrn@mbu.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com
Cc: "Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com" <online_sadhu_sanga@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:02:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Sadhu Sanga] Seminar on Evolution of Consciousness
25 August 2014
Dear All,
Research on the structure and function of proteins strongly
supports Darwinian hypothesis. We could construct phylogeny based
on protein sequences or structures and it largely agrees with
Darwinian descent of species. Every time a protein structure is
determined, our trust in Darwinian hypothesis increases. This
corraboration of earlier theory by new data is at the root of
success of Science.
Darwin's theory provides the simplest and least ambiguous
explanation of evolution of life. The theory provides elegent
explanations for most of animal and human behavior.
Darwinian theory is viewed with suspision because most of us
cannot visualize evolutionary time scales. What appears to be
improbable in finite time may become a certainty if time is
unlimited.
Regards,
Murthy
> Dear All,
> Please pardon my ignorance but where is venue L5 ( Venue: L5; Date : 26th
> August 2014; Time: 6-7 PM).
> A small query : As far as I know the difference between human gene and a rat
> gene is less than 1% and I believe the difference is even less between that
> between human and monkey. So how do you account for human coming from a
> different planet but still having majority of genes so closely related to
> monkeys (and even other animals).
> Further, the fact that there were no intermediate animal classes in between man
> and monkey can indeed happen if we believe that they did exist at one point of
> time in evolution but did not survive. As we all know even humans faced a very
> tough time at one point of time (faced extinction) and barely survived.
>
> Thanks
>
> Prof Sundeep Mishra
> Department of Cardiology
> AIIMS, New Delhi
>
> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:43:58 +0530
> Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Seminar on Evolution of Consciousness
> From: pkyadava1953@gmail.