These prabhus don't qualify for mudha-ship, they have some real knowledge. Thank KRS-Na.
Yeah thas funky, Lou brother Baby!
I used to listen to Brigadier Jerry, of course Run DMC. Kool Moe is like, later phase! I'm as old as the school gets and still breathing, and you is no spring chicken, either, baba. lol
There is a very nice verse that explains the meaning of Krsna, and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu discusses this. It is discussed by Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami in his illustrious Caitanya-caritamrta.
Srila Prabhupada translates: “‘The word “kṛṣ” is the attractive feature of the Lord’s existence, and “ṇa” means spiritual pleasure. When the verb “kṛṣ” is added to the affix “ṇa,” it becomes “Kṛṣṇa,” which indicates the Absolute Truth.’
He mentions in the purport that this verse is quoted from Mahabharata, Udyoga-parva, 71.4
Krs is bhu-vacakah, bhu can be understood as attractive, or as heavy or great. Earth is called bhumi because it attracts objects to itself. So bhu is used in some contexts to mean greatness or heaviness also, but gravitational attraction is considered prominent, so when bhu is used the attractive feature is considered prominent. So gravity is not a new concept in Vedic literature, but unfortunately Newton gets all the credit :)
Na is nirvrti-vacakah, nirvrti literally means absence of vrtti or material enjoyment (again, vrtti literally means improvement in material conditions; but it is synonymous with material enjoyment in the traditional use of the language, maybe we can say, in an idiomatic way); nirvrti is used to indicate the cessation of material enjoyment, which is basically the same thing as spiritual pleasure. Spiritual pleasure cannot be experienced unless the pangs of material existence are extinguished, and the pangs of material existence are only experienced when spiritual pleasure is experienced; rasa-varjam raso 'py asya param drstva nivartate (Gita, 2.59) Once taste changes when he experiences a higher taste.
Srila Prabhupada's translation is always perfect, but sometimes when people try to understand too literally, they miss out the essence of Vedic literature and get lost in the mire of illusions. So I was just clarifying Srila Prabhupada's position on what appears to be a not very literal translation.
yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau tasyaite kathita hy arthah prakasante mahatmanah
"Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith in the words of the spiritual master and that of Krsna, are the imports of the Vedic literature automatically revealed."
"The name Krishna means 'all-attractive.' God attracts everyone; that is the definition of 'God.' We have seen many pictures of Krishna, and we see that He attracts the cows, calves, birds, beasts, trees, plants, and even the water in Vrindavana. He is attractive to the cowherd boys, to the gopis, to Nanda Maharaja, to the Pandavas, and to all human society. Therefore if any particular name can be given to God, that name is 'Krishna.'"
''The word 'krish' is the attractive feature of the Lord's existence, and 'na' means spiritual pleasure. When the verb 'krish' is added to the affix 'na' it becomes Krishna, which indicates the Absolute Truth.''
If we analyze the nirukti, or semantic derivation, of the word 'Krishna,' we find that na signifies that He stops the repetition of birth and death, and krish means sattartha, or 'existence.' (Krishna is the whole of existence.) Also, krish means 'attraction,' and na means ananda, or 'bliss.'
The name 'Krishna,' meaning 'all-attractive,' can be applied only to God:
Srila Prabhupada: ... Krishna means 'all-attractive.'
Bob: Oh, I see.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. God has no name, but by His qualities we give Him names. If a man is very beautiful, we call him 'beautiful.' If a man is very intelligent, we call him 'wise.' So the name is given according to the quality. Because God is all-attractive, the name Krishna can be applied only to Him. Krishna means 'all-attractive.' It includes everything.
In 1974, near ISKCON's center in Frankfurt am Main, West Germany, Srila Prabhupada and several of his disciples took a morning walk with father Emmanuel Jungclaussen, a Benedictine monk from Niederalteich Monastery. Noticing that Srila Prabhupada was carrying meditation beads similar to the rosary, Father Emmanuel explained that he also chanted a constant prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, be merciful unto us." The following conversation ensued.
Srila Prabhupada: What is the meaning of the word Christ? Father Emmanuel: Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, meaning "the anointed one." Srila Prabhupada: Christos is the Greek version of the word Krsna.
Father Emmanuel: This is very interesting.
Srila Prabhupada: When an Indian person calls on Krsna, he often says, "Krsta." Krsta is a Sanskrit word meaning "attraction." So when we address God as "Christ," "Krsta," or "Krsna," we indicate the same all-attractive Supreme Personality of Godhead. When Jesus said, "Our Father, who an in heaven, sanctified be Thy name," that name of God was "Krsta" or "Krsna." Do you agree?
Father Emmanuel: I think Jesus, as the son of God, has revealed to us the actual name of God: Christ. We can call God "Father," but if we want to address Him by His actual name, we have to say "Christ."
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. "Christ" is another way of saying Krsta, and "Krsta" is another way of pronouncing Krsna, the name of God. Jesus said that one should glorify the name of God, but yesterday I heard one theologian say that God has no name-that we can call Him only "Father." A son may call his father "Father," but the father also has a specific name. Similarly, "God" is the general name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose specific name is Krsna. Therefore whether you call God "Christ," "Krsta," or "Krsna," ultimately you are addressing the same Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Father Emmanuel: Yes, if we speak of God's actual name, then we must say, "Christos." In our religion, we have the Trinity: the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe we can know the name of God only by revelation from the Son of God. Jesus Christ revealed the name of the father, and therefore we take the name Christ as the revealed name of God.
Srila Prabhupada: Actually, it doesn't matter-Krsna or Christ-the name is the same. The main point is to follow the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures that recommend chanting the name of God in this age. The easiest way is to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Rama and Krsna are names of God, and Hare is the energy of God. So when we chant the maha-mantra, we address God together with His energy. This energy is of two kinds, the spiritual and the material. At present we are in the clutches of the material energy. Therefore we pray to Krsna that He may kindly deliver us from the service of the material energy and accept us into the service of the spiritual energy. That is our whole philosophy. Hare Krsna means, "O energy of God, O God [Krsna], please engage me in Your service." It is our nature to render service. Somehow or other we have come to the service of material things, but when this service is transformed into the service of the spiritual energy, then our life is perfect. To practice bhakti-yoga [loving service to God] means to become free from designations like "Hindu," "Muslim," "Christian," this or that, and simply to serve God. We have created Christian, Hindu, and Muhammadan religions, but when we come to a religion without designations, in which we don't think we are Hindus or Christians or Muhammadans, then we can speak of pure religion, or bhakti.
Lou; I also had to look it up, and also asked Suresh ji to find something for us. I was surprised at myself for not remembering exactly. I think we have a fair representation now. One can say, Krsna is Krsna , and He has His qualities. Na-rayana also hasnasound in it, twice ; na raya na Ed.
The book Sri Namamrta has more details yet, and i will make it a point to quote it extensively , but currently its packed away.
Just see how KRS-one etc have become topics of Krsna's Names! This we are finding at Moodha Group; we discuss current topics, especially crazy stuff, and draw out the essence of philosophy from it! When we know what is moodha behavior, we can also see better what is natural Vaisnava behaviors.
"I do not know how much nectar the two syllables 'Krs-na' have produced. When the holy name of Krishna is chanted, it appears to dance within the mouth. We then desire many, many mouths. When that name enters the holes of the ears, we desire many millions of ears. And when the holy name dances in the courtyard of the heart, it conquers the activities of the mind, and therefore all the senses become inert."
"All glories to the all-blissful holy name of Sri Krishna, which causes the devotees to give up all conventional religious duties, meditation, and worship. When somehow or other uttered even once by a living entity, the holy name awards him liberation. The holy name of Krishna is the highest nectar. It is my very life and my only treasure."
The holy name of Krishna is transcendentally blissful. It bestows all spiritual benedictions, for it is Krishna Himself, the reservoir of all pleasure. Krishna's name is complete, and it is the form of all transcendental mellows. It is not a material name under any condition, and it is no less powerful than Krishna Himself. Since Krishna's name is not contaminated by the material qualities, there is no question of its being involved with maya [illusion]. Krishna 's name is always liberated and spiritual; it is never conditioned by the laws of material nature. This is because the name of Krishna and Krishna Himself are identical."
"The great seventeenth-century Vaishnava poet Narottama dasa Thakura writes, golokera prema-dhana, hari-nama-sankirtana: the transcendental sound of the holy name of the Lord has its origin in the spiritual world. Being the sound incarnation of the Lord, therefore, the holy name is not an ordinary material sound; it is divine, transcendental. But the divine nature of the holy name remains forever a mystery to those whose approach is merely empiric or intellectual."
"As sound transmitted from afar can be heard when received by an appropriate electronic device, so transcendental, spiritual sound can be properly heard and assimilated by one equipped with the proper means to receive it: bhagavat-prema, love of God."
"If one chants the holy name of the Lord, even in helplessness or without desiring to do so, all the reactions of his sinful life depart, just as when a lion roars all the small animals flee in fear."
"Deeply enmeshed in a complex web of material actions and their reactions, one must suffer the duality of pleasure and pain, lifetime after lifetime. The holy name, however, eradicates all reactions to past sins, both those manifesting themselves at present and those destined to manifest themselves in the future. Simply by chanting the holy name, one attracts the attention of the Supreme Lord, who therefore considers, 'Because this person has chanted My holy name, My duty is to give him protection.' "
"Rupa Gosvami compares the holy name to the sun, "for just as a slight appearance of the sun dissipates the darkness of night, so a slight appearance of the holy name of Krishna can drive away all the darkness of ignorance that arises in the heart because of greatly sinful activities performed in previous lives."
"The ease with which one attains liberation through chanting is affirmed in the Skanda Purana: "By once chanting the holy name of the Lord, which consists of the two syllables ha-ri, one guarantees his path to liberation."
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Sounds like a mudha.
~(>, ) Where one eyed men are kings clowns.
Moodha Dungeon Group; Surprisingly liberating !
These prabhus don't qualify for mudha-ship, they have some real knowledge. Thank KRS-Na.
Yeah thas funky, Lou brother Baby!
I used to listen to Brigadier Jerry, of course Run DMC. Kool Moe is like, later phase! I'm as old as the school gets and still breathing, and you is no spring chicken, either, baba. lol
There is a very nice verse that explains the meaning of Krsna, and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu discusses this. It is discussed by Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami in his illustrious Caitanya-caritamrta.
kṛṣir bhū-vācakaḥ śabdo
ṇaś ca nirvṛti-vācakaḥ
tayor aikyaṁ paraṁ brahma
kṛṣṇa ity abhidhīyate
Srila Prabhupada translates:
“‘The word “kṛṣ” is the attractive feature of the Lord’s existence, and “ṇa” means spiritual pleasure. When the verb “kṛṣ” is added to the affix “ṇa,” it becomes “Kṛṣṇa,” which indicates the Absolute Truth.’
He mentions in the purport that this verse is quoted from Mahabharata, Udyoga-parva, 71.4
Krs is bhu-vacakah, bhu can be understood as attractive, or as heavy or great. Earth is called bhumi because it attracts objects to itself. So bhu is used in some contexts to mean greatness or heaviness also, but gravitational attraction is considered prominent, so when bhu is used the attractive feature is considered prominent. So gravity is not a new concept in Vedic literature, but unfortunately Newton gets all the credit :)
Na is nirvrti-vacakah, nirvrti literally means absence of vrtti or material enjoyment (again, vrtti literally means improvement in material conditions; but it is synonymous with material enjoyment in the traditional use of the language, maybe we can say, in an idiomatic way); nirvrti is used to indicate the cessation of material enjoyment, which is basically the same thing as spiritual pleasure. Spiritual pleasure cannot be experienced unless the pangs of material existence are extinguished, and the pangs of material existence are only experienced when spiritual pleasure is experienced; rasa-varjam raso 'py asya param drstva nivartate (Gita, 2.59) Once taste changes when he experiences a higher taste.
Srila Prabhupada's translation is always perfect, but sometimes when people try to understand too literally, they miss out the essence of Vedic literature and get lost in the mire of illusions. So I was just clarifying Srila Prabhupada's position on what appears to be a not very literal translation.
yasya deve para bhaktir
yatha deve tatha gurau
tasyaite kathita hy arthah
prakasante mahatmanah
"Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith in the words of the spiritual master and that of Krsna, are the imports of the Vedic literature automatically revealed."
Which conclusion Prabhu?
Anyway, saw nice discussion, and something I knew little bit about, so to my knowledge I replied :)
The meaning of the name "Krishna":
"The name Krishna means 'all-attractive.' God attracts everyone; that is the definition of 'God.' We have seen many pictures of Krishna, and we see that He attracts the cows, calves, birds, beasts, trees, plants, and even the water in Vrindavana. He is attractive to the cowherd boys, to the gopis, to Nanda Maharaja, to the Pandavas, and to all human society. Therefore if any particular name can be given to God, that name is 'Krishna.'"
—The Science of Self-Realization
Etymology of the word 'Krishna':
''The word 'krish' is the attractive feature of the Lord's existence, and 'na' means spiritual pleasure. When the verb 'krish' is added to the affix 'na' it becomes Krishna, which indicates the Absolute Truth.''
—Mahabharata (Udyoga-parva, 71.4)
—[cited: Sri Chaitanya-charitamrita Madhya-lila 9.30]
The etymology of the name 'Krishna':
If we analyze the nirukti, or semantic derivation, of the word 'Krishna,' we find that na signifies that He stops the repetition of birth and death, and krish means sattartha, or 'existence.' (Krishna is the whole of existence.) Also, krish means 'attraction,' and na means ananda, or 'bliss.'
—Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.8.15
The name 'Krishna,' meaning 'all-attractive,' can be applied only to God:
Srila Prabhupada: ... Krishna means 'all-attractive.'
Bob: Oh, I see.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. God has no name, but by His qualities we give Him names. If a man is very beautiful, we call him 'beautiful.' If a man is very intelligent, we call him 'wise.' So the name is given according to the quality. Because God is all-attractive, the name Krishna can be applied only to Him. Krishna means 'all-attractive.' It includes everything.
In 1974, near ISKCON's center in Frankfurt am Main, West Germany, Srila Prabhupada and several of his disciples took a morning walk with father Emmanuel Jungclaussen, a Benedictine monk from Niederalteich Monastery. Noticing that Srila Prabhupada was carrying meditation beads similar to the rosary, Father Emmanuel explained that he also chanted a constant prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, be merciful unto us." The following conversation ensued.
Srila Prabhupada: What is the meaning of the word Christ?
Father Emmanuel: Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, meaning "the anointed one."
Srila Prabhupada: Christos is the Greek version of the word Krsna.
Father Emmanuel: This is very interesting.
Srila Prabhupada: When an Indian person calls on Krsna, he often says, "Krsta." Krsta is a Sanskrit word meaning "attraction." So when we address God as "Christ," "Krsta," or "Krsna," we indicate the same all-attractive Supreme Personality of Godhead. When Jesus said, "Our Father, who an in heaven, sanctified be Thy name," that name of God was "Krsta" or "Krsna." Do you agree?
Father Emmanuel: I think Jesus, as the son of God, has revealed to us the actual name of God: Christ. We can call God "Father," but if we want to address Him by His actual name, we have to say "Christ."
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. "Christ" is another way of saying Krsta, and "Krsta" is another way of pronouncing Krsna, the name of God. Jesus said that one should glorify the name of God, but yesterday I heard one theologian say that God has no name-that we can call Him only "Father." A son may call his father "Father," but the father also has a specific name. Similarly, "God" is the general name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose specific name is Krsna. Therefore whether you call God "Christ," "Krsta," or "Krsna," ultimately you are addressing the same Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Father Emmanuel: Yes, if we speak of God's actual name, then we must say, "Christos." In our religion, we have the Trinity: the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe we can know the name of God only by revelation from the Son of God. Jesus Christ revealed the name of the father, and therefore we take the name Christ as the revealed name of God.
Srila Prabhupada: Actually, it doesn't matter-Krsna or Christ-the name is the same. The main point is to follow the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures that recommend chanting the name of God in this age. The easiest way is to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Rama and Krsna are names of God, and Hare is the energy of God. So when we chant the maha-mantra, we address God together with His energy. This energy is of two kinds, the spiritual and the material. At present we are in the clutches of the material energy. Therefore we pray to Krsna that He may kindly deliver us from the service of the material energy and accept us into the service of the spiritual energy. That is our whole philosophy. Hare Krsna means, "O energy of God, O God [Krsna], please engage me in Your service." It is our nature to render service. Somehow or other we have come to the service of material things, but when this service is transformed into the service of the spiritual energy, then our life is perfect. To practice bhakti-yoga [loving service to God] means to become free from designations like "Hindu," "Muslim," "Christian," this or that, and simply to serve God. We have created Christian, Hindu, and Muhammadan religions, but when we come to a religion without designations, in which we don't think we are Hindus or Christians or Muhammadans, then we can speak of pure religion, or bhakti.
Hari bol! No confusion. Radha and Krsna are great combination! Hare Krsna!
PS: There is some ad in India, "no confusion, great combination," something. Hahaha!
Lou; I also had to look it up, and also asked Suresh ji to find something for us. I was surprised at myself for not remembering exactly. I think we have a fair representation now. One can say, Krsna is Krsna , and He has His qualities. Na-rayana also has na sound in it, twice ; na raya na Ed.
The book Sri Namamrta has more details yet, and i will make it a point to quote it extensively , but currently its packed away.
Just see how KRS-one etc have become topics of Krsna's Names! This we are finding at Moodha Group; we discuss current topics, especially crazy stuff, and draw out the essence of philosophy from it! When we know what is moodha behavior, we can also see better what is natural Vaisnava behaviors.
"I do not know how much nectar the two syllables 'Krs-na' have produced. When the holy name of Krishna is chanted, it appears to dance within the mouth. We then desire many, many mouths. When that name enters the holes of the ears, we desire many millions of ears. And when the holy name dances in the courtyard of the heart, it conquers the activities of the mind, and therefore all the senses become inert."
- Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Antya lila 1.120
"All glories to the all-blissful holy name of Sri Krishna, which causes the devotees to give up all conventional religious duties, meditation, and worship. When somehow or other uttered even once by a living entity, the holy name awards him liberation. The holy name of Krishna is the highest nectar. It is my very life and my only treasure."
- Srila Sanatana Gosvami in Brhad-bhagavatamrta
The holy name of Krishna is transcendentally blissful. It bestows all spiritual benedictions, for it is Krishna Himself, the reservoir of all pleasure. Krishna's name is complete, and it is the form of all transcendental mellows. It is not a material name under any condition, and it is no less powerful than Krishna Himself. Since Krishna's name is not contaminated by the material qualities, there is no question of its being involved with maya [illusion]. Krishna 's name is always liberated and spiritual; it is never conditioned by the laws of material nature. This is because the name of Krishna and Krishna Himself are identical."
- Padma Purana
"The great seventeenth-century Vaishnava poet Narottama dasa Thakura writes, golokera prema-dhana, hari-nama-sankirtana: the transcendental sound of the holy name of the Lord has its origin in the spiritual world. Being the sound incarnation of the Lord, therefore, the holy name is not an ordinary material sound; it is divine, transcendental. But the divine nature of the holy name remains forever a mystery to those whose approach is merely empiric or intellectual."
- Sri Namamrta
"As sound transmitted from afar can be heard when received by an appropriate electronic device, so transcendental, spiritual sound can be properly heard and assimilated by one equipped with the proper means to receive it: bhagavat-prema, love of God."
- Sri Namamrta
"If one chants the holy name of the Lord, even in helplessness or without desiring to do so, all the reactions of his sinful life depart, just as when a lion roars all the small animals flee in fear."
- Sri Namamrta (As said in Garuda Purana)
"Simply by chanting the name of Hari, a sinful man can counteract the reactions to more sins than he is able to commit."
- Sri Namamrta (As said in Brhad Vishnu Purana)
"Deeply enmeshed in a complex web of material actions and their reactions, one must suffer the duality of pleasure and pain, lifetime after lifetime. The holy name, however, eradicates all reactions to past sins, both those manifesting themselves at present and those destined to manifest themselves in the future. Simply by chanting the holy name, one attracts the attention of the Supreme Lord, who therefore considers, 'Because this person has chanted My holy name, My duty is to give him protection.' "
- Sri Namamrta
"Rupa Gosvami compares the holy name to the sun, "for just as a slight appearance of the sun dissipates the darkness of night, so a slight appearance of the holy name of Krishna can drive away all the darkness of ignorance that arises in the heart because of greatly sinful activities performed in previous lives."
-Sri Namamrta
"The ease with which one attains liberation through chanting is affirmed in the Skanda Purana: "By once chanting the holy name of the Lord, which consists of the two syllables ha-ri, one guarantees his path to liberation."
- Sri Namamrta
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