Guest: Now you say we don't die, we go [indistinct]. We don't die is what you are saying. Then why do we have to get this changing of bodies?
Prabhupāda: That is another question. This is nice question. Actually, we don't require to change bodies. We don't require. But we are put into certain conditions that we have to change our body. That is material life. In the material life, in the material existence, we have to change bodies, because we have got different desires, different consciousness.
Now why there is fight between one nation to another nation, one body to another's body? Because they have got different consciousness. Is it not? I have got a consciousness, you have got another consciousness. Therefore I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me, and ultimately we fight.
Similarly, because we have now come to this material world for enjoying this material world, under different consciousness we are given different bodies. God is so kind: "All right; please enjoy." Just like a tiger, he wants to enjoy fresh blood immediately. So God has given, "All right; you take this body. You can enjoy." So God is very kind. As we want to enjoy differently, He gives us different bodies. Therefore we have to withdraw all these desires. We have to simply desire God, or Kṛṣṇa. Then you get godly body. That's all.
Guest: Has that been proved?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest: How? How is it proved that people don't die and…?
Prabhupāda: That I already have said, that you have changed your childhood body. There is no… That body is gone. You cannot find out where is that body, but you know that you were a child in a different body. Therefore you are eternal, although your body is gone.
pe: Conversation
Date: Sept. 22, 1971
Location: Nairobi
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