Kirru Kumar PRABHUPAD ROOM CONVERSATION
1971 ...
Lalaji: If it's a just war, you have to fight.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lalaji: So that if it's a just war, we are going to fight. And the war is coming, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: So that's all right. Why should we be afraid of fighting?
Lalaji: We are not afraid of fighting.
Prabhupāda: We never... The Bhagavad-gītā never says that when enemy attacks, you become nonviolent. No, no. Never says. Rather, Gandhi said that: "Yes, I shall...'' Somebody asked Gandhiji that "If in your presence your wife or your daughter is ravaged, what you will do?'' That question was there, actually. But he said that "I shall nonviolence upon..."
Lalaji: No, no, no. Another part. Then he said, "I'll hit him back.'' On that condition. He said, "If that comes all right, hit him back."
Prabhupāda: He said that.
Lalaji: He said, "If a duṣṭa does that to you, you hit her back."
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is our policy. Our ātatāyinaḥ, the śastra, ātatāyinaḥ. Ātatāyinaḥ means a person who usurps my property.
Lalaji: A tyrant.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Lalaji: A tyrant, ātatāyinaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Aggressor, aggressor.
Lalaji: Aggressor.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lalaji: Ātatāyinaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Who sets fire in my home and who wants to kill me, they're called ātatāyinaḥ. So they should be immediately killed. There's no question of nonviolent. And if the Vaiṣṇava is insulted, he should be killed immediately. That is also... Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who advised that we should be humbler than the grass, but practically when Nityānanda Prabhu was insulted, He immediately wanted to kill Jagāi and Mādhāi. So these messages...
Lalaji: This has touched people.
Type: Conversation
Date: Nov. 10, 1971
Location: Delhi
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