We are not fallen. We are thinking that we are fallen. So we have to give up this nonsense thinking. Then we are liberated.

"Liberation can be attained within a second, provided that we abide by the order of the Supreme, or Krsna. Sarva--dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. This is the position. We are not fallen. We are thinking that we are fallen. So we have to give up this nonsense thinking. Then we are liberated." - S .Prabhupada Goswami

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  • This world is not God's world, He is not here making decisions and doing everything. That He has set up, to run as if automatically, according to His laws. There is a warden of this seperated-from-heaven prison universe, of the many prison universes, in fact. She is known as Maya, in this one. Her authorized prison laws stand. So, Lord Krsna's's representative is in power here. In God's direct spiritual eternal realms, there is all-mercy, but here, the temporary and false "self" we identify with, the human body, is subject to the prison laws of karma, and that's it, brother. The drama is exquisite.
    We came here in a sense of adventure and even sometimes rebellion, leaving the spiritual skies, but after we are done doing our own seperatist things here, if we are ready, we go back to God's worlds again, where there is no material form subject to decay and limitations, causing suffering to the soul.
    God lives in infinite perfect worlds in the spiritual skies. We have free will, love being love only when freely and sincerely given. Being His sparks and like unto Him, We exercised that freedom, and left His direct company, to play, to be our own small God, being prodigal sons, all.
    God dwells within us eternally, and sees and feels everything we see and feel. Things are so stupid down here, though, He does not ordinarily take part in the goings on. He remains aloof, though He protects those even in the mundane worlds, who surrender and take shelter of Him. He also suffers to see the sufferings here, and so makes every possible endeavor to give us chances to get free. The soul does not belong encapsulated within matter and the karma of past actions. That is not the real self.
    by Tamohara dasa acbssp, M.S, BH.S.
    THE SOULS FALL by HDG Srila Prabhupada
    Liberation can be attained within a second, provided that we abide by the order of the Supreme, or Krsna. Sarva--dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. This is the position. We are not fallen. We are thinking that we are fallen. So we have to give up this nonsense thinking. Then we are liberated.
    Is there any difficulty in understanding this point? Just see how important this verse is. (To his disciples) It is already there, but you are not reading. read each verse; read every day carefully. Try to assimilate, understand, and you will get more profit--every day, a hundred yards forward. They are such important verses. How nicely composed by Vyasadeva! In two lines the whole thing is explained. This is called shastra.
    Read the purport.
    [The disciple reads:] "The external energy is controlled by the lord, and the living entities are controlled by the external energy--by the will of the Lord. Therefore, although the living entity is purely conscious in his pure state, he is subordinate to the will of the Lord in being influenced by the external energy of the Lord. In the Bhagavad-gita (15.15) also the same thing is confirmed; the Lord is present within the heart of every living entity, and all the living entity's consciousness and forgetfulness are influenced by the Lord."
    Prabhupada: Now people may ask, "Why does Krsna within the heart give one type of consciousness to one and a different type of consciousness to another?" That is His kindness. I wanted to forget Krsna, so Krsna is giving the appropriate consciousness: "All right, you can forget Me in this way." The ordinary materialists (karmis), the mayavadis, the so-called yogis wanted to forget Krsna. So Krsna is giving them intelligence: "All right. You forget Me like this." And if you want to revive your relationship with Krsna, He will give you intelligence. Dadmi buddhi-yogam tam yena mam upayanti te "I shall give you intelligence to come to me" Ye yatha mam prapadyante. As you want, Krsna gives you facility..
    (to disciple) Go on reading
    [Disciple reads] "Now the next question automatically made will be why the Lord influences the living entity to such consciousness and forgetfulness.
    The answer is that the Lord clearly wishes that every living entity be in his pure consciousness as the part and parcel of the Lord as he is constitutionally made; but because the living entity is partially independent also, he may not be willing to serve the Lord but may try to become as independent as the Lord is. All the non-devotee living entities are desirous of becoming equally as powerful as the Lord, although they are not fit to become so."
    Prabhupada: The living entity will never be God, but we see by the influence of the illusory energy many people think, "I am God, " or "I shall become God by pressing my nose like this" This is going on. But they will never be able to become God. That is not possible. If everyone can become God, then there is no meaning of God.
    Karmis (fruitive workers) say, "I shall become a millionaire I shall become head of state I shall become prime minister" They struggle to attain these things.
    And for yogis to think, "I shall become God" is simply another struggle.
    It is illusion. Krsna may give them some yoga success. In India there is a yogi who makes gold appear. And people are after him--"Oh, he is God, he is God" By producing a little gold, he becomes God.
    Another yogi makes two rasagullas [sweets] appear. So by producing two rasagullas, four cents worth, he becomes God. You see? This is illusion. I can purchase two rasagullas from the market for four cents, so he has become God for four cents. People think, "Oh he is God. He can produce rasagullas." They have no sense. I can produce rasagullas in our kitchen. But they think, "Oh, this yogi is wonderful." So Krsna gives a person some power of yogic siddhi, or perfection, and the person thinks, "I have become God." And some others think "Oh, you are God." Such yogis are in the same dream as the karmis. And as soon as death comes, everything is finished--your Godhood and everything, finished. Now comes doghood. And another dream, "I am dog." First of all "I am God, " then "I am dog." this is going on.
    Therefore, Bhaktivenode Thakura has said, (miche) mayar bose, jaccho bhese': "Why are you being washed away by the waves of maya? Just stand up." (Jiv) krsna-das, ei biswas. korle to ar duhkho nai. "Simply stay fixed on this point: ' I am the eternal servant of Krsna' Then there is no more dream." And if you allow yourself to be washed away, Krsna gives you facility: "All right, come on, be washed away." Then? [Disciple reads] "The living entities are illusioned by the will of the Lord because they wanted to become Him. Like a person who thinks of becoming a king without possessing the necessary qualifications, similarly, when the living entity desires to become the Lord Himself, he is put is a condition of dreaming that he is king. Therefore, the first sinful will of the living entity is to become the Lord, and the consequent will of the Lord is that the living entity forget his actual life and thus dream of the land of utopia where he may become one like the Lord. The child cries to have the moon from the mother, and the mother gives the child a mirror to satisfy the crying and disturbing child with the reflection of the moon. Similarly the crying child of the Lord is given over to the reflection, the material world, to lord it over as a karmi and to give this up in frustration to become one with the Lord. Both these stages are dreaming illusions only. There is no necessity of tracing out the history of when the living entity desired this. But the fact is that as soon as he desired it, he was put under the control of atma--maya by the direction of the Lord. Therefore the living entity in his material condition is dreaming falsely that this is "mine" and this is "I." The dream is that the conditioned soul thinks of the material body as ' I ' or falsely thinks that he is the Lord and that everything in connection with that material body is ' mine' Thus only in dream does the misconception of ' I and mine ' persist life after life.
    This continues life after life, as long as the living entity is not purely conscious of his identity as the subordinate part and parcel of the Lord.
    In his pure consciousness, however, there is no such misconceived dream, and in that pure conscious state the living entity does not forget that he is never the Lord, but he is eternally the servitor of thThis world is not God's world, He is not here making decisions and doing everything. That He has set up, to run as if automatically, according to His laws. There is a warden of this seperated-from-heaven prison universe, of the many prison universes, in fact. She is known as Maya, in this one. Her authorized prison laws stand. So, Lord Krsna's's representative is in power here. In God's direct spiritual eternal realms, there is all-mercy, but here, the temporary and false "self" we identify with, the human body, is subject to the prison laws of karma, and that's it, brother. The drama is exquisite.
    We came here in a sense of adventure and even sometimes rebellion, leaving the spiritual skies, but after we are done doing our own seperatist things here, if we are ready, we go back to God's worlds again, where there is no material form subject to decay and limitations, causing suffering to the soul.
    God lives in infinite perfect worlds in the spiritual skies. We have free will, love being love only when freely and sincerely given. Being His sparks and like unto Him, We exercised that freedom, and left His direct company, to play, to be our own small God, being prodigal sons, all.
    God dwells within us eternally, and sees and feels everything we see and feel. Things are so stupid down here, though, He does not ordinarily take part in the goings on. He remains aloof, though He protects those even in the mundane worlds, who surrender and take shelter of Him. He also suffers to see the sufferings here, and so makes every possible endeavor to give us chances to get free. The soul does not belong encapsulated within matter and the karma of past actions. That is not the real self.
    by Tamohara dasa acbssp, M.S, BH.S.
    THE SOULS FALL by HDG Srila Prabhupada
    Liberation can be attained within a second, provided that we abide by the order of the Supreme, or Krsna. Sarva--dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. This is the position. We are not fallen. We are thinking that we are fallen. So we have to give up this nonsense thinking. Then we are liberated.
    Is there any difficulty in understanding this point? Just see how important this verse is. (To his disciples) It is already there, but you are not reading. read each verse; read every day carefully. Try to assimilate, understand, and you will get more profit--every day, a hundred yards forward. They are such important verses. How nicely composed by Vyasadeva! In two lines the whole thing is explained. This is called shastra.
    Read the purport.
    [The disciple reads:] "The external energy is controlled by the lord, and the living entities are controlled by the external energy--by the will of the Lord. Therefore, although the living entity is purely conscious in his pure state, he is subordinate to the will of the Lord in being influenced by the external energy of the Lord. In the Bhagavad-gita (15.15) also the same thing is confirmed; the Lord is present within the heart of every living entity, and all the living entity's consciousness and forgetfulness are influenced by the Lord."
    Prabhupada: Now people may ask, "Why does Krsna within the heart give one type of consciousness to one and a different type of consciousness to another?" That is His kindness. I wanted to forget Krsna, so Krsna is giving the appropriate consciousness: "All right, you can forget Me in this way." The ordinary materialists (karmis), the mayavadis, the so-called yogis wanted to forget Krsna. So Krsna is giving them intelligence: "All right. You forget Me like this." And if you want to revive your relationship with Krsna, He will give you intelligence. Dadmi buddhi-yogam tam yena mam upayanti te "I shall give you intelligence to come to me" Ye yatha mam prapadyante. As you want, Krsna gives you facility..
    (to disciple) Go on reading
    [Disciple reads] "Now the next question automatically made will be why the Lord influences the living entity to such consciousness and forgetfulness.
    The answer is that the Lord clearly wishes that every living entity be in his pure consciousness as the part and parcel of the Lord as he is constitutionally made; but because the living entity is partially independent also, he may not be willing to serve the Lord but may try to become as independent as the Lord is. All the non-devotee living entities are desirous of becoming equally as powerful as the Lord, although they are not fit to become so."
    Prabhupada: The living entity will never be God, but we see by the influence of the illusory energy many people think, "I am God, " or "I shall become God by pressing my nose like this" This is going on. But they will never be able to become God. That is not possible. If everyone can become God, then there is no meaning of God.
    Karmis (fruitive workers) say, "I shall become a millionaire I shall become head of state I shall become prime minister" They struggle to attain these things.
    And for yogis to think, "I shall become God" is simply another struggle.
    It is illusion. Krsna may give them some yoga success. In India there is a yogi who makes gold appear. And people are after him--"Oh, he is God, he is God" By producing a little gold, he becomes God.
    Another yogi makes two rasagullas [sweets] appear. So by producing two rasagullas, four cents worth, he becomes God. You see? This is illusion. I can purchase two rasagullas from the market for four cents, so he has become God for four cents. People think, "Oh he is God. He can produce rasagullas." They have no sense. I can produce rasagullas in our kitchen. But they think, "Oh, this yogi is wonderful." So Krsna gives a person some power of yogic siddhi, or perfection, and the person thinks, "I have become God." And some others think "Oh, you are God." Such yogis are in the same dream as the karmis. And as soon as death comes, everything is finished--your Godhood and everything, finished. Now comes doghood. And another dream, "I am dog." First of all "I am God, " then "I am dog." this is going on.
    Therefore, Bhaktivenode Thakura has said, (miche) mayar bose, jaccho bhese': "Why are you being washed away by the waves of maya? Just stand up." (Jiv) krsna-das, ei biswas. korle to ar duhkho nai. "Simply stay fixed on this point: ' I am the eternal servant of Krsna' Then there is no more dream." And if you allow yourself to be washed away, Krsna gives you facility: "All right, come on, be washed away." Then? [Disciple reads] "The living entities are illusioned by the will of the Lord because they wanted to become Him. Like a person who thinks of becoming a king without possessing the necessary qualifications, similarly, when the living entity desires to become the Lord Himself, he is put is a condition of dreaming that he is king. Therefore, the first sinful will of the living entity is to become the Lord, and the consequent will of the Lord is that the living entity forget his actual life and thus dream of the land of utopia where he may become one like the Lord. The child cries to have the moon from the mother, and the mother gives the child a mirror to satisfy the crying and disturbing child with the reflection of the moon. Similarly the crying child of the Lord is given over to the reflection, the material world, to lord it over as a karmi and to give this up in frustration to become one with the Lord. Both these stages are dreaming illusions only. There is no necessity of tracing out the history of when the living entity desired this. But the fact is that as soon as he desired it, he was put under the control of atma--maya by the direction of the Lord. Therefore the living entity in his material condition is dreaming falsely that this is "mine" and this is "I." The dream is that the conditioned soul thinks of the material body as ' I ' or falsely thinks that he is the Lord and that everything in connection with that material body is ' mine' Thus only in dream does the misconception of ' I and mine ' persist life after life.
    This continues life after life, as long as the living entity is not purely conscious of his identity as the subordinate part and parcel of the Lord.
    In his pure consciousness, however, there is no such misconceived dream, and in that pure conscious state the living entity does not forget that he is never the Lord, but he is eternally the servitor of the Lord in transcendental love.
    Prabhupada: Thank you very much.e Lord in transcendental love.
    Prabhupada: Thank you very much.
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