Marina Lata True, and this has made the relationship guru-disciple very impersonal. Iskcon is like the lover who you find in your bed whenever you trying to be with your partner, always in between the relationship with guru, so much so that initiation in Iskcon is de facto a rtivik initiation. There is a last page to sign in the documentation for first initiation and that is about being loyal all life to the GBC = Iskcon.
Tom Garden i was refused my rightful sannyasa as i would not sign allegiance to the murderous jews who call themselves the gbc but in reality are usurping thieving demons.
Baladeva Das >>>>True, and this has made the relationship guru-disciple very impersonal<<<< Agreed. I would say also that impersonalism is present in any relationship, as the dysfunctionality and the alienation ( the disease) is present at any level.
Tom Garden Baladeva Das My exact thoughts! I pointed out the poisoning to one devotee with Ph.D. yesterday, and he did not want to see the video, said, do not interfere with my Guru Seva! His guru is some jewbc. So, he thinks guru seva is some impersonal function, that a murder is involved is besides the point to him. Ultimately then, he does no service, it is business. He could as soon worship a fire hydrant, to him it is a function, guru seva . That is mayavada, suggesting that mayavadism has infested itsacon to the corps. core.
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