From Ashtara site; Responding to debate about the nature of Godhead
One thing for sure, our intellectualizations will not effect Godhead in one iota ! We are describing an approximation, what we ourselves currently understand to be God. That is alright, but is there a higher, closer approach possible? Considering that we are souls, and that the body is temporary and limited, then if we can breach these limits, then we can progress on to something true-er.
That is where meditation, prayer, chanting, devotionally-inspired musics, performing austerities, and constant performance of devotional sevice come in. These are not intellectual processes per se, but heart based.
By hearing from the guru, saints, sastra (scripture) , thus giving up our egos built on the bastion of currently limited intelligence, we are given absolute revealed knowledge. Revealed knolwedge is not stagnant or rigid, but becomes rigidified as we bring it again down to within the realm of our speculative and processing / linguistic capacities. Similarly, spiritual movements tend to burst the vessel walls of the organizations, as pure spirit cannot be contained.
Therefore, I humbly advocate genuine Krsna-concsious ecstasy as a better means of acquiring self-realization. The perception achieved by bhakti, devotional service, is direct and unencumbered by linguistic limitations. Divine music is an an example of an excellent transmitter of this ecstasic or blissful state, including crying spiritual blues; a spiritually-based feeling readily available to all within this universe.
One who encourages the well of nectar to overflow experiences directly the river of life. Soon she is splashing and swimming happily in the ocean of eternal loving service. The quality of this process is revealed by the satisfaction and advancment of the practitioners; we have seen people of all walks of life and ages and religions and character become spiritually satisfied and loyal adherents of chanting bonafide names of God. Hare Krishna.
Reply by Basu Gopala Das
GOD IS A PERSON. That's what the ILLUMINATI want to HIDE!
Because if God is a person than there is something that everyone needs to find out --- who is God and what is our relationship, what is my relationship?
The illuminati want to break up our relationship with God and instead give us a troll idol--- material satisfaction-- instead.
Reply by Tamoharadasa the Wanderer
Reply by Ranacora
Dear folks, you seem to be so discouraged to even allow yourself to accept the possibility that there IS a TRUTH, the Absolute Truth, therefore because you don't know what this Truth is, you artifically tolerate all 'truths', everything and everything as 'truth'. You seem to be afraid to know the Truth about God, Life, Death and everything. You are afraid of the mere possibility of being cheated again, because you already have too many heartaches and you don't want another one, do you? I do understand that. So the best remedy you were able to come up with was to dream more positive dream hoping this bad dream would somehow change or go away. Well, that's only the first step, only the first step.
You are so used to all different kinds of lies and half-lies half-truths that you obviously gave up the mere possibility of the existence of the Absolute Truth. You have been cheated so much and so nasty that you can't even stand it when someone (out of love and compassion) stands up and claims there is such thing as Truth. I can understand that too.
Dear ones, this is not imposition of 'some' Absolute Truth. Me and some of the members on AC are kindly trying to say this: the Truth and the science of God and science of the Soul is in the Vedas, there is no need to speculate about anything, including past, present, future, aliens, angels, demons, advanced technologies, wars, densities, dimensions and so many other things, all is there, why the heck don't you wanna know???????
But instead of studying complete Vedic literature which is soooo VAST, and might be hard to understand properly, we simply refer to read the essence of the Vedas which is given in a very concentrated way within Bhagavad Gita. Then to inquire deeper, to know more about God, his nature, his activities, his form, his qualities, his pastimes, go and study Srimad Bhagavatam. If you want to know about creation of the universes and how things are going on in there, study Brahma Samhita. You won't find so many details and such vast scientific knowledge anywhere else, I guarantee you! If you read all that and you're still not moved from within, from the center of your HEART which is the seat of your eternal soul, than go back to your business as you always did, you're not ready for it yet.
Therefore, why do you refuse to take Bhagavad Gita in your hands then? Because you're so addicted to speculation and hollow discusions and you're so used to hear about lies and half-truths to flatter your false ego and feed your illusions and Because you don't want to know the Truth! Well I'm not here to feed your illusions. What are you really interested in? Your interests don't really and seriously revolve around ultimate questions and final destination of your soul, your interests revolve around issues how to get rich, how to make more money, how to improve your sex-life, how to loose weight and so on even though it looks like you're trying to raise your vibration, to help others and Earth.
If you ask me, here is what I'd say: after I exhausted all other possibilites, there was nowhere else to look for the Truth for me anymore, because I've turned every stone and still didn't find what I was looking for, and then I was finally faced with Vedas, in fact with the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself, due to exceptional grace and mercy of Him. What I'm trying to say is that you don't need to turn every stone, because the Truth has come to you, in these very words, in this very calling. Recognize the moment of grace because it won't be always present and at hand for you. I wish there was somebody to bother me a bit like this, but there was nobody to challenge me to start studying Vedas and find out WHO is God. You don't have to join any movement, just inquire for yourself, and don't be lazy, that's all. There is no use in discussing like this: start reading Bhagavad Gita and then we'll discuss it, in great joy! Otherwise there's nothing to discuss about.
Reply by kel
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