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Advaita Discussion Group; If jivas in maya ie the expanded energies of the perfect origin, have a tendency to Name and Form, then the originating source must also. sarva karana karanam; I am the original cause, says Govinda. Govinda has a Form and talks, He is not an empty room. Why build a room even, if it is to be empty in its perfect state? Negation of the purposes of said room is a type of voidism and madness unnatural to spiritual Self, which is full of sat chit ananda, having blissful form and activities of perfection. Annihilating perception may stop material involvements, but there is no positive involvement on the eternal plane of blissful activity and exchange.
For conditioned souls to discuss maya is like people in handcuffs discussing freedom. One is obliged to approach a free unbound or higher perfect source of information, such as Bhagavada Gita As It Is, in order to get right knowledge upon which to make right decisions. A bound man cannot readily untie another. If one
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Most of you must of seen this picture of the 11 conditioned souls pretending to be gurus tormenting a picture of Srila Prabhupad our true spiritual master. The destruction of "ISKCON" started with these 11 poisonous vipers.
It was clearly a mistake letting these false gurus languish in their egotistical ways. Loving the devotion of the misguided devotees. Yes it makes one sick.
Now here is the point. A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada did not make mistakes. So all you "cult of the guru" lovers who state he ordered these eleven, be elevated to Guru status are grotesquely wrong. You drink from the septic feet of imposters.
Srila Prabhupad looked at them and knew the truth. None of them were suitable. Therefore he proposed a "ritvik" system (priestly instructers) and stated that this was his wish. It was the wish of a spiritual master so high above any of us and they ignored it.
In the decades that have followed
Prabhupada: We Vaiṣṇavas do not say that there is no need of fighting. We never say. When there is need of fighting we must fight. Rather, somebody in New York, some Goldsmith, he was that, 'Why Krishna is advising Arjuna to fight, to become violent?'
So somebody protests like that. But there is no meaning of protesting against the action of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is our view. So we Vaiṣṇavas, we are chanting.
It does not mean that when there is need of fighting with avaiṣṇava (non-vaishnava) we shall lack in strength. We can fight. One gentleman inquired from me that 'Vaiṣṇavism makes one dull. He cannot act.' And, 'No. You have not seen a Vaiṣṇava.' In the two fightings, great fighting, the Rāmāyaṇa and Mahābhārata, the hero was Hanuman and Arjuna, and they fought.
Guest: They fought.
Prabhupada: Yes. And who can be better Vaiṣṇava than them?
Guest: Nobody.
Prabhupada: So Vaiṣṇava does not mean he is dull. No.
Guest: No, that is well proved. If there is need...
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“Yes, we must set up our society as a school as best we can—I have already sent you letter. Please formulate the whole curriculum because we have to immediately submit to the Draft department and if this is accepted that will be great gain for our society. “Bhakti-sastri” is awarded after extensive study of Bhagavad-gita, Easy Journey, and Nectar of Devotion. “Bhakti-vaibhava” is awarded after study of Vedanta-sutra and Srimad-Bhagavatam on a preliminary basis; and “Bhaktivedanta” the highest title, is awarded after extensive study of Caitanya-caritamrta.” (Letter to Brahmananda, Hawaii, March 23, 1969)
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Hanumān: Excuse me; I have a lot of questions. I would like to ask you why we are so fortunate to have such a nice, genuine spiritual master as you, and some other have bogus spiritual master. Is it something of karma, or is this the pure mercy of yourself?
Prabhupāda: No, that you can think—your spiritual master is nice, others bogus—but they do not think like that. (laughter) They will think their spiritual master is good, your spiritual master is bogus. But... there is standard who is spiritual master. Spiritual master means who is the best servant of God. One who does not agree the existence of spiritual ma..., ah God, he is bogus because he's not bona fide. Mūḍhā. One who does not accept the existence of God, he is mūḍhā. He's a rascal. He cannot... A rascal cannot become spiritual master.
Hanumān: How come we come to you?
Prabhupāda: That is another thing, but first of all we have to know who is spiritual master. The spiritual master is he, samit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham (M
1.Hearing(Simantadvip),
2.Chanting(Godrumdvip),
3.Meditating(Madhyadvip),
4.Serving-Lord's Lotus Feet(Koladvip),
5.Worshipping(Ritudvip),
6.Greeting(Jahnudvip),
7.Serving as servent(Modadrumdvip),
8.Friendship(Rudradvip),
9.Self-surrender(Antardvip, the whorl of the Lotus).,
Without complete resignation to the Lotus Feet of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the eight other devotional ptactices are doomed to failure .

Srila Prabhupada..."Ah. So this is our one of the items, to vanquish all these rascals, so-called swamis. They say that "Why you criticize others also?" Because we have to vanquish them. Now these people cannot rise. When there is sunrise, there is no use of these glowworms. So this Krsna consciousness movement is Krsna Himself. Therefore they must be finished, all over the world. So-called religionists, so-called philosophers, so-called avataras, swamis, yogis -- finished."
Srila Prabhpada's Morning Walk
Bombay, May 2, 1974
BG Chapters 1 - 6
There are three degrees of covering of the living entity by which his pure consciousness is obscured. This covering is but lust under different manifestations like smoke in the fire, dust on the mirror, and the womb about the embryo. When lust is compared to smoke, it is understood that the fire of the living spark can be a little perceived. In other words, when the living entity exhibits his Kṛṣṇa consciousness slightly, he may be likened to the fire covered by smoke. Although fire is necessary where there is smoke, there is no overt manifestation of fire in the early stage. This stage is like the beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The dust on the mirror refers to a cleansing process of the mirror of the mind by so many spiritual methods. The best process is to chant the holy names of
Srila Prabhupada’s letter to Hansadutta- Calcutta Sept. 2, 1970 “It is a fact that the great sinister movement is within our society.” What is “the great sinister movement” if not the satanic cabal? He also instructed one of his disciples Nanda Kumar, “There are those in our movement who dress like devotees, shika, tilak, neckbeads, and dhoti, but they are not devotees. They are agents of Kali. We must find them and weed them out.”
Quote from Srila Bhaktisidhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada - “After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity.” – Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, Sajana Toshani (18.2.13-14)


